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  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Oblatus wrote: »

    <snip>The Hymnal 1982 is unique in attaching the numbers to text/tune combinations, so hymns 104 and 105 (for instance; I don't know) might have the identical text but different tunes.
    That’s really not unique at all. Lots of hymnals do that; every Presbyterian hymnal published over the last century does. But they also put the same title/first line at the top of both hymn 104 and 105 (to use your numbers.
    That is not the case IIRC for Church of Scotland hymn books, I presume you’re thinking of North American or USA publications.
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited April 2022
    No titles, only numbers, in most British hymnbooks. And no music line, either.

    Of course lots of churches are now pursuing a more eclectic range of hymns - i.e. derived from many sources - and use either screens and/or bespoke printed handouts for each service. This saves the worship leader having to announce "Hymn 123 from 'Baptist Praise and Worship', that's the maroon book" or "Hymn 456 from 'Mission Praise', the black book" (or whatever)! Indeed some denominations have taken the conscious decision to not produce any more hymnbooks.
  • Oblatus wrote: »
    The Hymnal 1982 (USA Episcopal hymnal)

    154 All glory, laud, and honor (Valet will ich dir geben)
    156 Ride on! ride on in majesty! (The King's Majesty)
    158 Ah, holy Jesus, how hast thou offended (Herzliebster Jesu)
    168 O sacred head, sore wounded (Herzlich tut mich verlangen)
    160 Cross of Jesus, cross of sorrow (Cross of Jesus)

    Choral:
    Palestrina: Missa Lauda Sion
    Gibbons: Hosanna to the Son of David
    Victoria: Pueri Hebraeorum
    Casali: Improperium exspectavit cor meum

    👍now that would have been a service worth attending!

  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Oblatus wrote: »
    The Hymnal 1982 (USA Episcopal hymnal)

    154 All glory, laud, and honor (Valet will ich dir geben)
    156 Ride on! ride on in majesty! (The King's Majesty)
    158 Ah, holy Jesus, how hast thou offended (Herzliebster Jesu)
    168 O sacred head, sore wounded (Herzlich tut mich verlangen)
    160 Cross of Jesus, cross of sorrow (Cross of Jesus)

    Choral:
    Palestrina: Missa Lauda Sion
    Gibbons: Hosanna to the Son of David
    Victoria: Pueri Hebraeorum
    Casali: Improperium exspectavit cor meum

    Love that Gibbons. It captures the excitement of the crowd brilliantly.
  • The last two hymnbooks in Australian Anglicanism have been numbers only with words and music, and I also possess a copy of CH4 purchased at Dunfermline Abbey which is similarly arranged. The current edition of Together in Song has alternative tunes, either higher or lower, noted below the score. Some have scorned TIS, but we find it generally a singable collection for the average congregation.
    We weren't at church this weekend as Mrs BA has COVID, but the hymns selected were:
    724 Hosanna HOSANNA
    348 Ride on ride on in majesty WINCHESTER NEW
    201 King of glory king of peace GWALCHMAI
    333 All Glory praise and honour ST THEODULPH
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    No titles, only numbers, in most British hymnbooks. And no music line, either.

    The titles thing is interesting, as quite a lot of books have titles for some hymns but not all, often when the hymn originated in another language.

    The Kirk made a concerted effort to make the melody edition of CH4 the "standard" version, though a few folk found it too heavy.
  • The last two hymnbooks in Australian Anglicanism have been numbers only with words and music, and I also possess a copy of CH4 purchased at Dunfermline Abbey which is similarly arranged. The current edition of Together in Song has alternative tunes, either higher or lower, noted below the score. Some have scorned TIS, but we find it generally a singable collection for the average congregation.
    We weren't at church this weekend as Mrs BA has COVID, but the hymns selected were:
    724 Hosanna HOSANNA
    348 Ride on ride on in majesty WINCHESTER NEW
    201 King of glory king of peace GWALCHMAI
    333 All Glory praise and honour ST THEODULPH

    👍
  • BroJames wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Oblatus wrote: »

    <snip>The Hymnal 1982 is unique in attaching the numbers to text/tune combinations, so hymns 104 and 105 (for instance; I don't know) might have the identical text but different tunes.
    That’s really not unique at all. Lots of hymnals do that; every Presbyterian hymnal published over the last century does. But they also put the same title/first line at the top of both hymn 104 and 105 (to use your numbers.
    That is not the case IIRC for Church of Scotland hymn books, I presume you’re thinking of North American or USA publications.
    Yes, American Presbyterian. I’ve tried to be clear in my posts on this tangent that I was was referring to American hymnals, as here:
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I’m saying that in my experience, The Hymnal 1940 and The Hymnal 1982 are unique among American hymnals in not having hymn titles at the top of the page. (I realize this is more common in British hymnals.)

    And here, earlier in the post you quoted:
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Oblatus wrote: »
    These two hymnals index their texts by first line; there's no separate title. I suppose there's no need to put the first line in big type at the top when you can see the first line on the same page.
    But every other American hymnal I’m familiar with does put the title/first line in big type at the top of the page, and that, not the number, is how people refer to the hymn, except when the number is used so you know which page to open to.
    Sorry I didn’t explicitly say I was talking about American hymnals in the part you quoted as well; I guess I thought I had already been clear that I was referring to American hymnals.

  • DooneDoone Shipmate
    Cyprian wrote: »
    Yesterday our Methodist host congregation joined us for the blessing of the palms and procession. When we got back into the building, we parted for our separate services in different parts of the building. It seemed to work well. We got one of the Methodist children to be the voice on the inside of the closed church doors asking "Who is this King of glory?" in response to verses from Psalm 23.

    During the procession we sang Gloria, Laus et Honor to the proper melody, i.e. the one actually composed by St Theodulf of Orléans rather than the modern tune named after him.

    That sounds really lovely!
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    BroJames wrote: »
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Oblatus wrote: »

    <snip>The Hymnal 1982 is unique in attaching the numbers to text/tune combinations, so hymns 104 and 105 (for instance; I don't know) might have the identical text but different tunes.
    That’s really not unique at all. Lots of hymnals do that; every Presbyterian hymnal published over the last century does. But they also put the same title/first line at the top of both hymn 104 and 105 (to use your numbers.
    That is not the case IIRC for Church of Scotland hymn books, I presume you’re thinking of North American or USA publications.
    Yes, American Presbyterian. I’ve tried to be clear in my posts on this tangent that I was was referring to American hymnals, as here:
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I’m saying that in my experience, The Hymnal 1940 and The Hymnal 1982 are unique among American hymnals in not having hymn titles at the top of the page. (I realize this is more common in British hymnals.)

    And here, earlier in the post you quoted:
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Oblatus wrote: »
    These two hymnals index their texts by first line; there's no separate title. I suppose there's no need to put the first line in big type at the top when you can see the first line on the same page.
    But every other American hymnal I’m familiar with does put the title/first line in big type at the top of the page, and that, not the number, is how people refer to the hymn, except when the number is used so you know which page to open to.
    Sorry I didn’t explicitly say I was talking about American hymnals in the part you quoted as well; I guess I thought I had already been clear that I was referring to American hymnals.

    My bad for reading too quickly and not holding everything together when dipping in and out of threads.
  • No worries.
  • OblatusOblatus Shipmate
    "Sojourner wrote: »
    👍now that would have been a service worth attending!

    It was!
  • Thanks for the link👍
  • rhubarbrhubarb Shipmate
    I was a bit stunned to find that my Church of Christ neighbour had never heard of 'All glory laud and honour' and "Ride on, ride on in majesty' which I mentioned we always sing on Palm Sunday. Surely these two hymns are widely sung in many different churches on Palm Sunday.
  • Churches of Christ folk tradtionally sing a cappella, so traddy hymns ( often Methodist in origin) are generally not the go for them
  • rhubarb wrote: »
    I was a bit stunned to find that my Church of Christ neighbour had never heard of 'All glory laud and honour' and "Ride on, ride on in majesty' which I mentioned we always sing on Palm Sunday. Surely these two hymns are widely sung in many different churches on Palm Sunday.

    You have probably answered your own question ... sung in MANY different churches. Not all. Not everywhere follows the liturgical year. I had never encountered palm crosses until adulthood, or special services for Palm Sunday. I grew up in the Brethren where every Sunday morning focussed on Good Friday events, at Christmas and Easter there was a nod to the time of year by allowing the evening service to feature Carols or Easter Hymns (plus the Sunday School children had a special service at Sunday school with parents invited in the afternoons on these days) but I'd never really heard of Palm Sunday. Most of the 'Anglican' hymns I learnt were from school, and Palm Sunday was generally in the school holidays I guess.
  • CyprianCyprian Shipmate
    Doone wrote: »
    Cyprian wrote: »
    Yesterday our Methodist host congregation joined us for the blessing of the palms and procession. When we got back into the building, we parted for our separate services in different parts of the building. It seemed to work well. We got one of the Methodist children to be the voice on the inside of the closed church doors asking "Who is this King of glory?" in response to verses from Psalm 23.

    During the procession we sang Gloria, Laus et Honor to the proper melody, i.e. the one actually composed by St Theodulf of Orléans rather than the modern tune named after him.

    That sounds really lovely!

    It really worked well for a first go. We're a newish mission parish with weekly numbers still in the single figures, and about half of those are new Christians who love the Saviour and are absolutely dedicated but I sometimes take things for granted because I've had my entire life in church and don't consciously think about these things. So I forget that people new to church life will be unfamiliar with checking the Church calendar before booking holidays, meaning that two of our stalwarts, independently of each other, had arranged to be abroad in what they were later disappointed to realise was going to be Holy Week. That's a lesson for me, I think, when guiding catechumens' formation.

    Having another congregation to help build the numbers was good, and they seemed genuinely appreciative to experience something very different from their usual tradition. I appreciated having Methodists with us because they actually open up their mouths and sing, and my efforts at including the music for the antiphons and responsories into the service booklet were not in vain.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Hymns were
    Meekness and majesty
    A new commandment
    Blest are you Lord God of all Creation
    This is my body broken for you
    Of the glorious body telling.
    Stay with me (Taize)

    Plus the normal Mass parts.
  • Tonight, we had:

    Blest Be the God of Israel (Song of Zachariah, paraphrase) (MERLE’s TUNE)
    When Israel Was in Egypt’s Land (GO DOWN MOSES)
    Bless the Lord, My Soul (Berthier, Taizé)
    In Remembrance of Me (RED)
    O Sacred Head, Now Wounded (PASSION CHORALE)

  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Possibly stretching the boundaries of this thread by just a little bit, but as we were driving home from church this morning, the ABC (our national broadcaster) was playing Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor BWV 565 played by Albert Schweitzer, the recording being made in 1935. Certainly not played in accordance with our present understanding of what is correct, and maybe inappropriate for Good Friday, but what a performance!
  • Last night we had a Maundy Thursday service of the shadows.

    The first verse of Were You There sung by one person followed each of seven readings from Luke.
    It was a meditative experience. Coming from a non-liturgical tradition I found it a solemn experience.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Gee D wrote: »
    Possibly stretching the boundaries of this thread by just a little bit, but as we were driving home from church this morning, the ABC (our national broadcaster) was playing Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor BWV 565 played by Albert Schweitzer, the recording being made in 1935. Certainly not played in accordance with our present understanding of what is correct, and maybe inappropriate for Good Friday, but what a performance!

    Slow?
    We visited The Schweitzer Museum in Alsace many years ago which houses among other things the pedal piano that he had shipped out to him in Africa. There some Bach open on the music stand. I couldn't resist the temptation to have a play, but sadly the African heat and humidity had done terrible things to it.
    His father had been the minister of a shared RC/Evangelical church. They are fairly common there after a local ruler decreed that each village should only have one church building.
  • Gee D wrote: »
    Possibly stretching the boundaries of this thread by just a little bit, but as we were driving home from church this morning, the ABC (our national broadcaster) was playing Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor BWV 565 played by Albert Schweitzer, the recording being made in 1935. Certainly not played in accordance with our present understanding of what is correct, and maybe inappropriate for Good Friday, but what a performance!

    As we were still confined to home, Good Friday music was a YouTube video of the St John Passion performed by the Netherlands Bach Ensemble. God and clear rapid tests willing we will be in church for the Great Vigil tomorrow.
  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Alan29 wrote: »

    Slow?
    We visited The Schweitzer Museum in Alsace many years ago which houses among other things the pedal piano that he had shipped out to him in Africa. There some Bach open on the music stand. I couldn't resist the temptation to have a play, but sadly the African heat and humidity had done terrible things to it.
    His father had been the minister of a shared RC/Evangelical church. They are fairly common there after a local ruler decreed that each village should only have one church building.

    Half your luck - we've never been there.

    His playing was much slower than our current ideas would dictate, but the main difference was that it was much more grandiose also. I was very careful to say "our present understanding" as the Schweitzer style may return to fashion in the next decade, or something entirely different emerge.

    Barnabas-Aus - we heard that said national broadcaster was to be presenting the St John through the afternoon. We were out and so missed it. Good that the programmers have accepted that Messiah is Easter music, and not something to be trotted out for Christmas and Good Friday also.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Today for the Solemn Liturgy of Good Friday
    The Psalm
    The Reproaches
    When I survey
    Bread of Life
    Soul of my Saviour.
    Our priest has Covid, so our deacon led us. Its quite a complicated liturgy but he nailed it.
    Our usual Solemn Intercessions had an extra one composed by the English bishops for peace in Ukraine. It was a bit bland and didn't follow the example of some countries that quoted the Magnificat with the wish that the mighty should be cast down.
  • Your rulers might take that personally😉
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Sojourner wrote: »
    Your rulers might take that personally😉

    They are protected by their massive sense of entitlement and thick skins. I doubt they would notice.
  • Such a pity
  • OblatusOblatus Shipmate
    Good Friday

    Sing, my tongue, the glorious battle (Pange lingua)

    Choral:
    Victoria: Improperia (Popule meus)
    Allegri: Miserere mei, Deus
    and proper chants of the liturgy in Latin
  • OblatusOblatus Shipmate
    Maundy Thursday

    Thou, who at thy first Eucharist didst pray (Song 1)
    An Upper Room did our Lord prepare (O Waly, Waly)
    Let thy Blood in mercy poured (Jesus, meine Zuversicht)
    Now, my tongue, the mystery telling (Pange lingua)

    Choral:
    Viadana: Missa sine nomine
    Dalitz: Mandatum novum do vobis (2014)
    Gjeilo: Ubi caritas (2007)
    Severac: Tantum ergo
    and the Latin propers of the Mass
  • Scots LassScots Lass Shipmate Posts: 17
    A range in church for Good Friday yesterday, but the highlight was probably My Song is Love Unknown, which also happens to be one of my husband's favourites. As he has a rather nice tenor voice it was a joy to be beside him during it. Then I got a bit emotional during The Power of the Cross (Getty) - unusual for a person of Scottish Presbyterian background. I do love the Good Friday service.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Too much to list and only one normal hymn- Easter Vigil, innit.
  • DardaDarda Shipmate
    At Easter morning communion
    Jesus Christ is Risen today EASTER HYMN
    Jesus the Name High Overall LYDIA
    Thine be the Glory MACCABAEUS
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Easter Sunday All Age Communion
    Jesus Christ is risen today
    Alleluia, give thanks to the risen Lord
    Another “modern” one I have forgotten
    Thine be the glory
  • “Jesus Christ is risen today” (Easter Hymn).

    “Alleluia, alleluia, give thanks to the risen Lord” (Donald Fishel).
    “See what a morning” (Getty/Townend).
    “Low in the grave he lay” (Christ arose).
    “Early on Sunday” (Bunessan).
    “Thine be the glory, risen, conquering Son” (Maccabeus).
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Usual Mass bits.
    Thine be the glory.
    Water of Life for the sprinkling
    All heav' declares
    Unless a grain of wheat
    Majesty.
    By the end of a full and stressful Holy Week, my brain had no idea what my hands were doing.
  • Today we had:

    Joyful, Joyful, We Adore Thee (HYMN TO JOY)
    Jubilate Deo (Berthier, Taizé)
    Christ Has Risen While Earth Slumbers (SUO GAN)
    Jesus Christ Is Risen Today (EASTER HYMN)

  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    We had:
    The day of resurrection (ELLACOMBE)
    Now the green blade riseth (NÖEL NOUVELET)
    Blest be the everlasting God (BISHOPTHORPE)
    The saviour died but rose again (ST ANDREW, TANS'UR)
  • OblatusOblatus Shipmate
    Easter Day

    Jesus Christ is risen today (Easter Hymn)
    Christians, to the Paschal victim (Victimae Paschali laudes)
    Come, ye faithful, raise the strain (St. Kevin & Gaudeamus pariter, alternating stanzas)
    Come, risen Lord, and deign to be our guest (Rosedale)
    Jesus lives! thy terrors now (St. Albinus)
    The day of resurrection! (Ellacombe)

    Choral:
    Byrd: Resurrexi, et adhuc tecum sum, alleluia
    Mozart: Missa brevis in C, "Orgelsolo," K. 259
    Byrd: Haec dies, quam fecit Dominus
    Willan: Alleluia, Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us
  • Kannas an AweylKannas an Aweyl Shipmate Posts: 40
    edited April 2022
    No titles, only numbers, in most British hymnbooks. And no music line, either.

    Of course lots of churches are now pursuing a more eclectic range of hymns - i.e. derived from many sources - and use either screens and/or bespoke printed handouts for each service. This saves the worship leader having to announce "Hymn 123 from 'Baptist Praise and Worship', that's the maroon book" or "Hymn 456 from 'Mission Praise', the black book" (or whatever)! Indeed some denominations have taken the conscious decision to not produce any more hymnbooks.

    The Salvation Army International Headquarters produces a Song Book (we don't call them hymns, just because) for use in all English speaking territories. What is different from most other hymn books is that there is a totally separate tune book. The numbers in the songbook and the tune number do not coincide, instead, for each song, a list of possible tunes in the tune book is given, together with the metre if the song. There is also a metrical index at the back of the songbook. The leader of the meeting traditionally then chooses the songs and tunes, giving the pianist or bandmaster the tune numbers and the congregation the song numbers. It works if you're used to it.

    Fixed coding - Nenya, Ecclesiantics Host
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Gosh, that sounds complicated!

    This morning no hymn list had been circulated. Good job I had jotted them down at choir practice, as I was able to tell the person who does the hymn board.

    We sang
    To God be the glory
    Love’s redeeming work is done
    Now the green blade riseth
    Ye choirs of new Jerusalem.

    During Communion the choir sang Easter Carol, Cheer up friends and neighbours, now it’s Easter tide, to a medieval? French tune.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    We had a somewhat disrupted service this morning when our Interim Moderator froze halfway through his sermon and we had several minutes of frantic tinkering before it transpired that his laptop had suffered a BSOD and normal operation was resumed fairly swiftly.

    We had:
    Come living God when least expected (SPIRITUS VITAE)
    When I receive the peace of Christ (SEVEN JOYS OF MARY)
    Bring to the Lord a glad new song (JERUSALEM)
    This joyful Eastertide (VRUECHTEN)
    I'm not ashamed to own my Lord (JACKSON (BYZANTIUM))
  • PigletPiglet All Saints Host, Circus Host
    Mass - unison, congregational (Creed to Merbecke)

    Hymns:

    All hail the power of Jesus' name - Miles Lane
    Jesus, these eyes have never seen - Kilmarnock
    Now is eternal life - Christchurch
    Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendour - St. Helen
    O praise ye the Lord - Laudate Dominum

    Some good tunes this morning! :)
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    The same as last week because our priest missed Holy Week and Easter because of Covid, so for him this was his Easter.
    However things were brightened by having an adult baptism and another adult joining the church, both being confirmed. A really joyful celebration.
  • Earth Care Sunday, along with the Second Sunday of Easter, at our place, so we had:

    All Things Bright and Beautiful (ROYAL OAK)
    Praise the Lord! God’s Glories Show (LLANFAIR)
    God, You Spin the Whirling Planets (AUSTRIAN HYMN)
    For the Fruit of All Creation (AR HYD Y NOS)

    @Piglet, you got to church and sang! I know you had been somewhat trepidatious about that. Glad you seem to have enjoyed it!

  • Gee DGee D Shipmate
    Alan29 wrote: »
    The same as last week because our priest missed Holy Week and Easter because of Covid, so for him this was his Easter.
    However things were brightened by having an adult baptism and another adult joining the church, both being confirmed. A really joyful celebration.

    Well done, prayers and best wishes for both candidates.
  • rhubarbrhubarb Shipmate
    We were finally able to have a full Choral Eucharist which was very exciting. The middle of the service also included an ANZAC reflection due to April 25th being ANZAC Day. We didn't sing memorial hymns however at our service as they would be sung on ANZAC Day services.

    All hail the power of Jesus name (Miles Lane)
    Love's redeeming work is done (Savannah)
    Now is eternal life (Christchurch)
    Thine be the glory (Maccabaeus)
  • PuzzlerPuzzler Shipmate
    Spring Songs of Praise at another church in the group last night. Hymns, poems, readings, prayers, short reflection, one choir item( same as the morning. )
    Praise my soul
    The king of love
    Dear Lord and Father
    For the beauty of the earth.
    Love divine
    The day thou gavest.

    Nobody could complain they didn’t know they hymns or they were too modern!
    Sadly attendance was poor, and very few from the village itself. This lovely building could well become a festival church.
    There is a new, successful toddler group, run by our Children’s worker, and good support for events in the village hall, but church does not seem to be on people’s radar.
  • OblatusOblatus Shipmate
    Alleluia! O sons and daughters, let us sing! (O Filii et Filiae)
    Lord, enthroned in heavenly splendor (St. Osmund)
    We walk by faith, and not by sight (St. Botolph)
    This joyful Eastertide (Vruechten)

    Choral:
    Monteverdi: Missa a quattro voci da cappella (1641)
    Josef Gruber: Angelus Domini, Op. 85, No. 4
    Luca Marenzio: Quia vidisti me, Thoma
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Puzzler wrote: »
    Spring Songs of Praise at another church in the group last night. Hymns, poems, readings, prayers, short reflection, one choir item( same as the morning. )
    Praise my soul
    The king of love
    Dear Lord and Father
    For the beauty of the earth.
    Love divine
    The day thou gavest.

    Nobody could complain they didn’t know they hymns or they were too modern!
    Sadly attendance was poor, and very few from the village itself. This lovely building could well become a festival church.
    There is a new, successful toddler group, run by our Children’s worker, and good support for events in the village hall, but church does not seem to be on people’s radar.

    I think that last sentence encapsulates what I've been trying to say on a number of threads over a number of years. It's just not what people *do*.
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