Who knows? I make my own & plead guilty to serving it to fellow singers ( along with vege collation) after Good Friday liturgy
Hot cross buns in our manor (with cheese) on Good Friday. The clue's in the name.
This man o' Sussex had never even heard of Simnel cake until he moved oop North, so it might be regional.
Who knows? I make my own & plead guilty to serving it to fellow singers ( along with vege collation) after Good Friday liturgy
Hot cross buns in our manor (with cheese) on Good Friday. The clue's in the name.
This man o' Sussex had never even heard of Simnel cake until he moved oop North, so it might be regional.
It's not regional, just likely to be considered one of the symbols of Babylon to yon Sussex puritans so likely just died out more quickly there. Simnel cake has definitely always been a Refreshment Sunday/Mothering Sunday thing.
Tut tut Alan even this Antipodean lapsed Roman of inpeccable Irish antecedents knows that Lent 4=simnel cake, to go with the pink clobber
I must admit to never seeing pink clobber in the flesh.
Who can afford it? It may be ok were a generous parishioner to have left sufficient money a century ago for such a purpose, but such souls were very thin on the ground here.
There are some very affordable (and decent quality) vestments available online now, particularly from Poland. I realise that shipping from Poland to Australia would likely be prohibitive, but I'd be surprised if there weren't purveyors nearer to home eg in the Philippines or elsewhere in E/SE Asia.
Our parish purchased sets of episcopal vestments, cope stole and mitre, from Poland for our two former rectors when they were elevated to that rank. Delivered by DHL to Australia they cost less than $500 per set. Our former shipmate who ministers in a tropical diocese carries his lightweight white set everywhere with him along with liturgically coloured stoles made for him by Mrs BA when he departed the parish.
And here was I - a non-Anglican - thinking that "pink clobber" was some kind of seasonal food, possibly a goopy sort of custard!!!
Haha - rose (the official term) vestments for Laetare Sunday and Gaudete Sunday.
My old vicar used to wear white vestments on those days. He was a Yorkshireman, so therefore rose colour. Anyway, probably also because he was a Yorkshireman, he couldn't thoil* to spend money on pink ones.
*untranslateable dialect word for being reluctant to part with cash/ unable to justify the expense even if you can theoretically afford it.
Tut tut Alan even this Antipodean lapsed Roman of inpeccable Irish antecedents knows that Lent 4=simnel cake, to go with the pink clobber
I must admit to never seeing pink clobber in the flesh.
Who can afford it? It may be ok were a generous parishioner to have left sufficient money a century ago for such a purpose, but such souls were very thin on the ground here.
Especially in Anglican Sinny where the chasuble is verboten ( oddly enough no such restrictions apply to the dalmatic and tunicle)
Mind you it is wonderful what a generous tailor can do with a few metres of synthetc. My former parish has chasuble & stole in what would be best described as Mustick pink polyester. I recall the former PP ( may he rest in peace) digging it out of the closet nearly 20 years ago to the amusement of all
Mind you it is wonderful what a generous tailor can do with a few metres of synthetc. My former parish has chasuble & stole in what would be best described as Mustick pink polyester. I recall the former PP ( may he rest in peace) digging it out of the closet nearly 20 years ago to the amusement of all
He did, bless him. He had a great sense of the ridiculous and commented that his opportunities for upstaging our self appointed MC ( in his role of crucifer that day prancing around in purple tunicle ) were limited.
Tut tut Alan even this Antipodean lapsed Roman of inpeccable Irish antecedents knows that Lent 4=simnel cake, to go with the pink clobber
I must admit to never seeing pink clobber in the flesh.
Who can afford it? It may be ok were a generous parishioner to have left sufficient money a century ago for such a purpose, but such souls were very thin on the ground here.
Especially in Anglican Sinny where the chasuble is verboten ( oddly enough no such restrictions apply to the dalmatic and tunicle)
As for the maniple🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀
During the covid shut down in NSW, we went to church on the net in all sorts of places. One was a very catholic Anglican Church in Melbourne (not Eastern Hill) where the priest used a maniple. That's the only time either of us can recall seeing a maniple used. I'd be surprised to see any Anglican priest in Sydney using one even though they're not banned.
Have never seen one at either CCSL or SJKS. Last place I did was at the Triddie shack (aka the Maternal Heart Community) at Lewisham ( not the parish church but the former convent chapel of the long-defunct Lewisham Hospital.
Come to think of it yoi’be hard pressed to see a maniple under the voluminous folds of a cope ( which is permitted for the celebrant is Anglican Sinny rather than one of them popish chazzies)
Have never seen one at either CCSL or SJKS. Last place I did was at the Triddie shack (aka the Maternal Heart Community) at Lewisham ( not the parish church but the former convent chapel of the long-defunct Lewisham Hospital.
I'd not expect one at either CCSL or SJKS. Not heard of the Lewisham church
It’s been the Triddie shack ( Priestly Fraternity of St Peter not the St Pius X schismatics) for 30-odd years. They were allowed the ( then very dilapidated) hospital chapel when the nuns left the site in 1987 or 1988). They were a deliberately low profile crowd for a long time. Not now; wealthy benefactors funded renovation and as they have become more confident they have become more crankish.
When God Restored Our Common Life (Ps. 126 paraphrase) (RESIGNATION) Bless the Lord, My Soul (Berthier, Taizé) When the Poor Ones/Cuando el pobre (EL CAMINO) For Everyone Born (FOR EVERYONE BORN)
I never manage to sing that last one without tearing up.
We had:
Lord for the years (LORD OF THE YEARS)
We are here to praise you (a Graham Kendrick number I'd not learned until last night)
When I survey (ROCKINGHAM - I'm undecided on whether I prefer O WALY WALY for this but decided not to scare the horses)
We sing the praise of him who died (WALTON)
We have a Gospel to proclaim (WALTON)
And no, not a typo, we managed to end up with two hymns to the same tune. One of the perils of reusing recordings is little things like this get missed. Fortunately I'd used different arrangements when recording the two so it wasn't as blatant as it could have been.
We are here to praise you (a Graham Kendrick number I'd not learned until last night)
And one that I was reminded of recently, as someone noticed I seem to have unconsciously used it as inspiration for the melody of my recent choral composition (which a couple of Shipmates are involved in a taking part in a virtual recording I am organising) https://youtu.be/x5_dL69Bo54
So I suppose I feel a bit like Ed Sheeran!
Sing Hosanna - Walker. A simple thing written for children, but it needs no hymn books.
Psalm and Acclamation.
The Passion read by three readers with the congregation saying the crowd parts.
Take our Bread
Celtic Mass
Unless a grain of wheat shall die
My song is love unknown
We usually process from outside singing the Walker, but the church is sheathed in scaffolding so we had a curtailed procession just from the back of church. It made it easier to keep the singing together!
This evening we have our annual Churches Together Stations of the Cross which always has a good turn out from our local sister churches.
Holy Week starts. The only days I am not playing are Monday and Wednesday. 45 songs etc. Some years I feel that I need a camp bed in Church!
Holy Week starts. Some years I feel that I need a camp bed in Church!
Exactly - a Palm Sunday procession through some local streets this morning with the sister Catholic and Uniting churches, and Eucharist for us to follow; 3 evening Eucharists starting tomorrow, then on Thursday evening a Eucharist with washing. That gets us to Good Friday.....
Turns out our priest has Covid and runs the risk of missing his third "proper" Holy Week in succession. We had an Indian supply who preached very well, but who's accent was pretty hard to understand.
We had:
All glory laud and honour
Give me oil in my lamp
My song is love unknown
In Christ alone (I compromised here by putting the offending line on the screen but singing something else myself)
Christ is made the sure foundation
I had a horrible cold most of this week so recording was a bit of a trial, particularly since I didn't have recordings for three of them.
Hosanna, Loud Hosanna (ELLACOMBE) Bless the Lord, My Soul (Berthier, Taizé) A Cheering, Chanting, Dizzy Crowd (CHRISTIAN LOVE) Stay with Me (Berthier, Taizé)
I'd prefer that whatever hymns are chosen, they be set a good half octave below the pitch at which they'll be played.
Is your organist transposing up or something? Very few hymns go above a D or Eb which is well within the Bass/Contralto ranges. They're meant to be singable for all voice types.
I'd prefer that whatever hymns are chosen, they be set a good half octave below the pitch at which they'll be played.
Is your organist transposing up or something? Very few hymns go above a D or Eb which is well within the Bass/Contralto ranges. They're meant to be singable for all voice types.
*glowers at How great Thou art*
E natural is fairly common in hymn tunes. My hypothesis is people used to be smaller so could reach higher notes more easily . Even Eb can be a challenge depending on words.
I'd prefer that whatever hymns are chosen, they be set a good half octave below the pitch at which they'll be played.
Is your organist transposing up or something? Very few hymns go above a D or Eb which is well within the Bass/Contralto ranges. They're meant to be singable for all voice types.
*glowers at How great Thou art*
E natural is fairly common in hymn tunes. My hypothesis is people used to be smaller so could reach higher notes more easily . Even Eb can be a challenge depending on words.
We Plough The Fields is when you get your revenge. It has a low Ab in most settings which is the lowest note I am willing to display in public.
I'd prefer that whatever hymns are chosen, they be set a good half octave below the pitch at which they'll be played.
Is your organist transposing up or something? Very few hymns go above a D or Eb which is well within the Bass/Contralto ranges. They're meant to be singable for all voice types.
*glowers at How great Thou art*
E natural is fairly common in hymn tunes. My hypothesis is people used to be smaller so could reach higher notes more easily . Even Eb can be a challenge depending on words.
Serious response - actually, I link this also to the fact that we don't sing much as a society any more*. It's well established that untrained singers have access to their lower registers but find the higher registers more difficult to access. Common wisdom has it that most men are Baritones, most women are Mezzos, which would in theory point to an "amateur" range of around A-F. To allow for the fact that some men are basses and tenors and some women are contraltos and sopranos, that range is nerfed to around C-E. In theory that should be fine for everyone, but I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't, because so many people are lacking the top half octave or so of what they "should" have access to, because generally speaking we Don't Sing.
And of course these assumptions are possibly erroneous - there are a growing number of women singing tenor, it seems. Some of them have a tessitura lower than mine. This seems to be their natural range, as opposed to the opposite phenomenon of altos and counter-tenors. One might expect therefore that there is a cohort of men whose range is very low. I think traditionally they just sang most of the hymn a further octave down.
*The counter example to this is football crowds, but I've got a suspicion that the intersection between regular churchgoers and the part of the football crowd singing the chants may not be very large. I have, however, been quite surprised how high some of those chants are sung. Perhaps part of it is it's easier to sing high when you're singing loud, and we tend to mumble hymns...
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Hot cross buns in our manor (with cheese) on Good Friday. The clue's in the name.
This man o' Sussex had never even heard of Simnel cake until he moved oop North, so it might be regional.
It's not regional, just likely to be considered one of the symbols of Babylon to yon Sussex puritans so likely just died out more quickly there. Simnel cake has definitely always been a Refreshment Sunday/Mothering Sunday thing.
I must admit to never seeing pink clobber in the flesh.
Who can afford it? It may be ok were a generous parishioner to have left sufficient money a century ago for such a purpose, but such souls were very thin on the ground here.
I used to make kulich when my sons still lived at home.
Haha - rose (the official term) vestments for Laetare Sunday and Gaudete Sunday.
My wife's Easter Simnel cake of course has only 11 balls on it.
My old vicar used to wear white vestments on those days. He was a Yorkshireman, so therefore rose colour. Anyway, probably also because he was a Yorkshireman, he couldn't thoil* to spend money on pink ones.
*untranslateable dialect word for being reluctant to part with cash/ unable to justify the expense even if you can theoretically afford it.
That just sounds like normal life to me.
@angloid I like that story very much, and hope there are also Lancashire priests using red vestments as their 'rose' vestments!
Mine has 13: 12 around the periphery and 1 slightly larger ( Christus) in the centre.
One of the peripherals is coloured pink and known as Judas Iscariot. My chorister mates used fight over Judas.
Especially in Anglican Sinny where the chasuble is verboten ( oddly enough no such restrictions apply to the dalmatic and tunicle)
As for the maniple🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀
I'm sure he looked fabulous in it
During the covid shut down in NSW, we went to church on the net in all sorts of places. One was a very catholic Anglican Church in Melbourne (not Eastern Hill) where the priest used a maniple. That's the only time either of us can recall seeing a maniple used. I'd be surprised to see any Anglican priest in Sydney using one even though they're not banned.
I'd not expect one at either CCSL or SJKS. Not heard of the Lewisham church
John Holding, Host
“Said Judas to Mary” (Sydney Carter).
“O worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness” (Was Lebet).
“My song is love unknown” (Love Unknown - all 7 verses!)
“When I survey the wondrous cross” (Rockingham).
When God Restored Our Common Life (Ps. 126 paraphrase) (RESIGNATION)
Bless the Lord, My Soul (Berthier, Taizé)
When the Poor Ones/Cuando el pobre (EL CAMINO)
For Everyone Born (FOR EVERYONE BORN)
I never manage to sing that last one without tearing up.
Lord for the years (LORD OF THE YEARS)
We are here to praise you (a Graham Kendrick number I'd not learned until last night)
When I survey (ROCKINGHAM - I'm undecided on whether I prefer O WALY WALY for this but decided not to scare the horses)
We sing the praise of him who died (WALTON)
We have a Gospel to proclaim (WALTON)
And no, not a typo, we managed to end up with two hymns to the same tune. One of the perils of reusing recordings is little things like this get missed. Fortunately I'd used different arrangements when recording the two so it wasn't as blatant as it could have been.
So I suppose I feel a bit like Ed Sheeran!
Psalm and Acclamation.
The Passion read by three readers with the congregation saying the crowd parts.
Take our Bread
Celtic Mass
Unless a grain of wheat shall die
My song is love unknown
We usually process from outside singing the Walker, but the church is sheathed in scaffolding so we had a curtailed procession just from the back of church. It made it easier to keep the singing together!
This evening we have our annual Churches Together Stations of the Cross which always has a good turn out from our local sister churches.
Holy Week starts. The only days I am not playing are Monday and Wednesday. 45 songs etc. Some years I feel that I need a camp bed in Church!
Exactly - a Palm Sunday procession through some local streets this morning with the sister Catholic and Uniting churches, and Eucharist for us to follow; 3 evening Eucharists starting tomorrow, then on Thursday evening a Eucharist with washing. That gets us to Good Friday.....
“Hosanna, loud hosanna” (Ellacombe).
“Hosanna, hosanna” (Carl Tuttle).
“Here comes Jesus riding into town” (Richard Coote - a real ear-worm!).
“Ride on, ride on, in majesty!” (Winchester New).
“Ride on, ride on, the time is right” (John Bell/Graham Maule - very striking).
"The servant King" (Kendrick).
All glory laud and honour
Give me oil in my lamp
My song is love unknown
In Christ alone (I compromised here by putting the offending line on the screen but singing something else myself)
Christ is made the sure foundation
I had a horrible cold most of this week so recording was a bit of a trial, particularly since I didn't have recordings for three of them.
Hosanna, Loud Hosanna (ELLACOMBE)
Bless the Lord, My Soul (Berthier, Taizé)
A Cheering, Chanting, Dizzy Crowd (CHRISTIAN LOVE)
Stay with Me (Berthier, Taizé)
Meanwhile, the choir sang “Ride On, King Jesus!”
Ah, Holy Jesus
When I survey the wondrous cross (to Hamburg, although I prefer Rockingham)
Is your organist transposing up or something? Very few hymns go above a D or Eb which is well within the Bass/Contralto ranges. They're meant to be singable for all voice types.
*glowers at How great Thou art*
E natural is fairly common in hymn tunes. My hypothesis is people used to be smaller so could reach higher notes more easily
We Plough The Fields is when you get your revenge. It has a low Ab in most settings which is the lowest note I am willing to display in public.
Serious response - actually, I link this also to the fact that we don't sing much as a society any more*. It's well established that untrained singers have access to their lower registers but find the higher registers more difficult to access. Common wisdom has it that most men are Baritones, most women are Mezzos, which would in theory point to an "amateur" range of around A-F. To allow for the fact that some men are basses and tenors and some women are contraltos and sopranos, that range is nerfed to around C-E. In theory that should be fine for everyone, but I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't, because so many people are lacking the top half octave or so of what they "should" have access to, because generally speaking we Don't Sing.
And of course these assumptions are possibly erroneous - there are a growing number of women singing tenor, it seems. Some of them have a tessitura lower than mine. This seems to be their natural range, as opposed to the opposite phenomenon of altos and counter-tenors. One might expect therefore that there is a cohort of men whose range is very low. I think traditionally they just sang most of the hymn a further octave down.
*The counter example to this is football crowds, but I've got a suspicion that the intersection between regular churchgoers and the part of the football crowd singing the chants may not be very large. I have, however, been quite surprised how high some of those chants are sung. Perhaps part of it is it's easier to sing high when you're singing loud, and we tend to mumble hymns...