The Archer anthem is quite nice and quite easy, with a nice key-change in the middle. We had it from time to time in my Last Place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6xqc_Kq-4. I think it's a "flexible anthem"! and sounds better when sung by a mixed-voice choir, with the gentlemen singing the section beginning at 1:18.
Christ whose glory fills the skies - Ratisbon Lord, thy word abideth - Ravenshaw The race that long in darkness pined - St. Fulbert How sweet the name of Jesus sounds - St. Peter Forth in thy name, O Lord, I go - Song 34
Quite a decent selection, especially the last one - I love a bit of Gibbons!
Our Place's offering today was:
Rejoice, the Lord is king (Gopsal) All hail the power of Jesus' name (Miles Lane, I expect - the other tune in our book is a bit much for a small group of non-singers!) James and Andrew, Peter and John (Scarborough Fair) Thou, whose almighty word (Moscow)
“Come, let us join our cheerful songs” (Nativity)
“Sing hey for the carpenter”.
“Come, let us to the Lord our God” (Kilmarnock)
“We turn to you, O God of every nation” (Perfect Love),
“Lord Jesus Christ” (Living Lord)
God is love (ABBOT'S LEIGH)
I heard the voice of Jesus say (ROWAN TREE)
Praise the one who breaks the darkness (ABBOT'S LEIGH, no that's not a typo)
Beauty for brokenness
Your hand, O God, has guided (THORNBURY)
Christ for the world we sing / MOSCOW
Psalm 27: 1, 5-13 / simplified Anglican chant
The people who in darkness walked / DUNDEE
"Will you come and follow me if I but call your name"
Where charity and love prevail / an adapted version of VENI REDEMPTOR GENTIUM
They cast their nets in Galilee / GEORGETOWN
Singing songs of expectation / TON-Y-BOTEL
God is love (ABBOT'S LEIGH)
I heard the voice of Jesus say (ROWAN TREE)
Praise the one who breaks the darkness (ABBOT'S LEIGH, no that's not a typo) ...
I know Abbot's Leigh's a good tune, but twice in one service might be overkill.
Indeed so. Personally I prefer Vox Dilecti or perhaps Kingsfold to "I heard the voice of Jesus say". And there are loads of 8787D tunes so why repeat Abbot's Leigh for the last hymn? I'd probably use Nettleton which seems to be the "set" tune.
A lovely tune...was the version often found in our hymnbooks arranged by Ralph Vaughan Williams? Our Place's book simply says that the tune is a traditional English melody.
Indeed so. Personally I prefer Vox Dilecti or perhaps Kingsfold to "I heard the voice of Jesus say". And there are loads of 8787D tunes so why repeat Abbot's Leigh for the last hymn? I'd probably use Nettleton which seems to be the "set" tune.
I don't know Nettleton, and by the time I realised on Saturday that the recordings I had used the same tune I hadn't the spoons to hunt for a new tune and re-record. They were, at least, different arrangements and other members of the congregation were too polite to comment.
Indeed so. Personally I prefer Vox Dilecti or perhaps Kingsfold to "I heard the voice of Jesus say". And there are loads of 8787D tunes so why repeat Abbot's Leigh for the last hymn? I'd probably use Nettleton which seems to be the "set" tune.
I don't know Nettleton, . . . .
This is NETTLETON. It’s an old shape note tune, which in the States is firmly linked to “Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing.”
This past Sunday, we had:
“Come Sing, O Church, in Joy”/DARWELL’S 148TH
“Will You Come and Follow Me” (The Summons)/KELVINGROVE
“Lord, When I Came into This Life”/LAND OF REST
“May the God of Hope Go with Us” (Song of Hope/Canto de esperanza)/ARGENTINA
This is NETTLETON[/url]. It’s an old shape note tune, which in the States is firmly linked to “Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing.”
I've only heard shape note singing "live" once, although coincidentally just last night I was watching a TV programme which included quite a lot of it! Here's a version from Missouri - not "professional" but then it was "peoples' music" and sung robustly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1DLatQL80. Interestingly today's v.1 is v.2.
This is NETTLETON[/url]. It’s an old shape note tune, which in the States is firmly linked to “Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing.”
I've only heard shape note singing "live" once, although coincidentally just last night I was watching a TV programme which included quite a lot of it! Here's a version from Missouri - not "professional" but then it was "peoples' music" and sung robustly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1DLatQL80. Interestingly today's v.1 is v.2.
That was really interesting. It was hard to see a connection between the conductors beat and the singing. Mind you .........
This is NETTLETON[/url]. It’s an old shape note tune, which in the States is firmly linked to “Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing.”
I've only heard shape note singing "live" once, although coincidentally just last night I was watching a TV programme which included quite a lot of it! Here's a version from Missouri - not "professional" but then it was "peoples' music" and sung robustly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1DLatQL80. Interestingly today's v.1 is v.2.
No, their verse 1 is our verse 1. In shape note singing, the tune is always sung through once using the syllables associated with the shapes: fa, so, la, fa, so, la, mi, fa (for a major scale). There are also shape note systems that use the seven syllable system: do re mi . . . .
So what you’re hearing as the first verse is actually more of a run through using the syllables.
This is NETTLETON[/url]. It’s an old shape note tune, which in the States is firmly linked to “Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing.”
I've only heard shape note singing "live" once, although coincidentally just last night I was watching a TV programme which included quite a lot of it! Here's a version from Missouri - not "professional" but then it was "peoples' music" and sung robustly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1DLatQL80. Interestingly today's v.1 is v.2.
No, their verse 1 is our verse 1. In shape note singing, the tune is always sung through once using the syllables associated with the shapes: fa, so, la, fa, so, la, mi, fa (for a major scale). There are also shape note systems that use the seven syllable system: do re mi . . . .
So what you’re hearing as the first verse is actually more of a run through using the syllables.
This is NETTLETON[/url]. It’s an old shape note tune, which in the States is firmly linked to “Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing.”
I've only heard shape note singing "live" once, although coincidentally just last night I was watching a TV programme which included quite a lot of it! Here's a version from Missouri - not "professional" but then it was "peoples' music" and sung robustly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G1DLatQL80. Interestingly today's v.1 is v.2.
No, their verse 1 is our verse 1. In shape note singing, the tune is always sung through once using the syllables associated with the shapes: fa, so, la, fa, so, la, mi, fa (for a major scale). There are also shape note systems that use the seven syllable system: do re mi . . . .
So what you’re hearing as the first verse is actually more of a run through using the syllables.
That's interesting, thanks.
It definitely makes for an interesting, somewhat Pentecostal sounds, as it seems people are speaking in tongues, with different parts singing different syllables. (Or at the least, everyone is doing what seems right in their own eyes.)
But then you should hear the text come through clearly the second time through. (Here’s a good example—“Star of the East” is one of my favorite shape note hymns.)
Typically, yes, though sometimes some voices may double other parts, like a few trebles singing the tenor part. And the singers typically sit in a square, one part on each side and facing all facing the center.
And that’s a great video! Thanks for linking to it; “Hallelujah” is another one of my favorites.
Not singing at church today but will be on Sunday: a hymn I've never heard before but which apparently popular in more western longitudes, Count your many blessings. What struck me about it on hearing it and trying to sing it was how very American it is. I don't mean that in a pejorative way but, I don't know whether it's the rhythm or what, but without checking the date I pegged it as early 20th century, possibly interwar (it's actually 1897) and it's just so very much of its place and time. I suppose it's no different from being able to spot a 17th century Scottish paraphrase in the wild, or a 60s pseudo folk song, but I lack the musical expertise to identify the commonalities that I must be hearing.
Not singing at church today but will be on Sunday: a hymn I've never heard before but which apparently popular in more western longitudes, Count your many blessings. What struck me about it on hearing it and trying to sing it was how very American it is. I don't mean that in a pejorative way but, I don't know whether it's the rhythm or what, but without checking the date I pegged it as early 20th century, possibly interwar (it's actually 1897) and it's just so very much of its place and time. I suppose it's no different from being able to spot a 17th century Scottish paraphrase in the wild, or a 60s pseudo folk song, but I lack the musical expertise to identify the commonalities that I must be hearing.
Do American shipmates know it?
Well it is syncopated, and it is harmonised in a way that sounds a bit like a glee club ? (It maybe the arrangement rather than the melody that makes it seem so American to you.)
I' m afraid we never quite managed to rise to that sort of tempo at the Tin Tabernacle - our elderly organist (Miss S) could really only manage a rather dirge-like speed...
I' m afraid we never quite managed to rise to that sort of tempo at the Tin Tabernacle - our elderly organist (Miss S) could really only manage a rather dirge-like speed...
I' m afraid we never quite managed to rise to that sort of tempo at the Tin Tabernacle - our elderly organist (Miss S) could really only manage a rather dirge-like speed...
The Sally Army version is terrific - but, one wonders, why didn't the gentleman in the first row clap with everyone else?
I noticed that - maybe he had Painful Hands/Wrists/Arms (delete as appropriate) which made clapping a no-no?
FWIW, Count your Blessings is such an upbeat song, as regards the lyrics, that it really requires the upbeat tempo as provided by the Sally Army songsters (and musicians!).
Incidentally, the Tin Tabernacle (despite being C of E, and very Prayer Book-based) was not averse to the occasional Moody & Sankey hymn, and I thought CyB was one of theirs...
Yes, I suspected he must have had a reason for not clapping.
That's it, spot on!
Our Tin Tab had an harmonium, in true Mission Hall fashion...
Sadly, the harmonium was disposed of when the church was demolished and rebuilt on a smaller scale in 2004. They went all modern, with a digital hymnal thingy.
The first of those is pretty close to the mark, although IIRC they were very much darker in hue...
(The Tin Tabernacle was a sort of proprietary chapel, run by trustees, so didn't have a great deal to do with the local parish church, although the Missioner was a Lay Reader, licensed to the Vicar.)
The second picture reminds me of the awful chairs the parish church suffered in its Hall, although they were green rather than blue.
Our Place has Go-Pak tables (in the Hall). When FatherInCharge set up a temporary chapel in the church during Ye Plague, so that a different chapel could be used safely each day, he employed one of those tables as an altar.
The chapel was, of course, dedicated to that well-known Eastern mystic, Saint Gopak...
Back to singing, and it occurred to me to wonder if anyone still uses Moody & Sankey, even if only for one or two of their hymns?
Our Place has Go-Pak tables (in the Hall). When FatherInCharge set up a temporary chapel in the church during Ye Plague, so that a different chapel could be used safely each day, he employed one of those tables as an altar.
The chapel was, of course, dedicated to that well-known Eastern mystic, Saint Gopak...
Back to singing, and it occurred to me to wonder if anyone still uses Moody & Sankey, even if only for one or two of their hymns?
Mr Cats has played for three funerals this week and I think the Redemption Songs hymnal (Moody and Sankey) has been in use at all of them. Up here on the northeast fishing coast of Scotland there seems to be a strong tradition of music of that ilk, far more than I have known in other parts of rural Scotland.
I have vague memories of singing Count your blessings from my Baptist days as a very small piglet - they used the Sankey Sacred Songs and Solos book for evening services, and I expect it was in there.
Mr Cats has played for three funerals this week and I think the Redemption Songs hymnal (Moody and Sankey) has been in use at all of them. Up here on the northeast fishing coast of Scotland there seems to be a strong tradition of music of that ilk, far more than I have known in other parts of rural Scotland.
Redemption Songs or Redemption Hymnal? They are both red; the latter I think was more used in Pentecostal churches. I remember using RS at a Saturday night "rally" at Glasgow's Tent Hall c.1976 - itself of course founded in the wake of Moody & Sankey's crusades which had such a huge impact on Scottish Christianity.
Alas, the pandemic of 2020 put paid to my idea of a service to commemorate the 200th anniversary of Fanny Crosby's birth with those of her hymns still in circulation today...
Hail to the Lord's anointed (Cruger)
What does the Lord require (Sharpthorne)
Deck thyself my soul with gladness (Schmucke Dich) -a favourite of mine.
Be thou my vision (Slane)
It was great to have the return of our organist who had been on leave.
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We do of course have many other hymn books in this house, so the answer is Franconia.
I thought it might be Franconia...well-known, but none the worse for that!
In bread we bring you Lord.
Oh the word of my Lord (Song of a young prophet.)
Christ be our light.
Christ whose glory fills the skies - Ratisbon
Lord, thy word abideth - Ravenshaw
The race that long in darkness pined - St. Fulbert
How sweet the name of Jesus sounds - St. Peter
Forth in thy name, O Lord, I go - Song 34
Quite a decent selection, especially the last one - I love a bit of Gibbons!
Rejoice, the Lord is king (Gopsal)
All hail the power of Jesus' name (Miles Lane, I expect - the other tune in our book is a bit much for a small group of non-singers!)
James and Andrew, Peter and John (Scarborough Fair)
Thou, whose almighty word (Moscow)
What @piglet said about Gibbons...
“Sing hey for the carpenter”.
“Come, let us to the Lord our God” (Kilmarnock)
“We turn to you, O God of every nation” (Perfect Love),
“Lord Jesus Christ” (Living Lord)
I heard the voice of Jesus say (ROWAN TREE)
Praise the one who breaks the darkness (ABBOT'S LEIGH, no that's not a typo)
Beauty for brokenness
Your hand, O God, has guided (THORNBURY)
Psalm 27: 1, 5-13 / simplified Anglican chant
The people who in darkness walked / DUNDEE
"Will you come and follow me if I but call your name"
Where charity and love prevail / an adapted version of VENI REDEMPTOR GENTIUM
They cast their nets in Galilee / GEORGETOWN
Singing songs of expectation / TON-Y-BOTEL
I know Abbot's Leigh's a good tune, but twice in one service might be overkill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl3xFnoDZ_I
A lovely tune...was the version often found in our hymnbooks arranged by Ralph Vaughan Williams? Our Place's book simply says that the tune is a traditional English melody.
I remember listening to a BBC Schools Programme which included the RVW Folk-song suite that includes "Dives".
For real folk-song collecting look at Bartok and Kodaly's work: they were very careful to notate correctly even when it didn't fit the norms.
Thanks! I guessed RVW had a hand in it somewhere...as a hymn tune, it would be best played by a West Gallery band and quire IMHO...
I don't know Nettleton, and by the time I realised on Saturday that the recordings I had used the same tune I hadn't the spoons to hunt for a new tune and re-record. They were, at least, different arrangements and other members of the congregation were too polite to comment.
This past Sunday, we had:
“Come Sing, O Church, in Joy”/DARWELL’S 148TH
“Will You Come and Follow Me” (The Summons)/KELVINGROVE
“Lord, When I Came into This Life”/LAND OF REST
“May the God of Hope Go with Us” (Song of Hope/Canto de esperanza)/ARGENTINA
That was really interesting. It was hard to see a connection between the conductors beat and the singing. Mind you .........
So what you’re hearing as the first verse is actually more of a run through using the syllables.
But then you should hear the text come through clearly the second time through. (Here’s a good example—“Star of the East” is one of my favorite shape note hymns.)
And that’s a great video! Thanks for linking to it; “Hallelujah” is another one of my favorites.
Do American shipmates know it?
Here's an upbeat version from the Sally Army:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4hOYf6Mn5g
What fun the pianists are having in that one!
Well it is syncopated, and it is harmonised in a way that sounds a bit like a glee club ? (It maybe the arrangement rather than the melody that makes it seem so American to you.)
Magic! Very much in the Nacio Herb Brown/Billy Mayerl mould.
Bless her, she did her best.
Something closer to this ? https://youtu.be/FZECFq4BvRQ
Yes, that's about it - although our singing wasn't quite as melodious...
I noticed that - maybe he had Painful Hands/Wrists/Arms (delete as appropriate) which made clapping a no-no?
FWIW, Count your Blessings is such an upbeat song, as regards the lyrics, that it really requires the upbeat tempo as provided by the Sally Army songsters (and musicians!).
Incidentally, the Tin Tabernacle (despite being C of E, and very Prayer Book-based) was not averse to the occasional Moody & Sankey hymn, and I thought CyB was one of theirs...
Yes, I suspected he must have had a reason for not clapping.
That's it, spot on!
Our Tin Tab had an harmonium, in true Mission Hall fashion...
Sadly, the harmonium was disposed of when the church was demolished and rebuilt on a smaller scale in 2004. They went all modern, with a digital hymnal thingy.
And did it have either of these chairs? https://tinyurl.com/3278r2rj or, more likely https://tinyurl.com/4pmn5m8s (mind you, being Anglican you probably had cast-off PEWS from the parish church).
The first of those is pretty close to the mark, although IIRC they were very much darker in hue...
(The Tin Tabernacle was a sort of proprietary chapel, run by trustees, so didn't have a great deal to do with the local parish church, although the Missioner was a Lay Reader, licensed to the Vicar.)
The second picture reminds me of the awful chairs the parish church suffered in its Hall, although they were green rather than blue.
You will of course know that there are only two types of church today - those that use Go-Pak tables and those that don't.
The chapel was, of course, dedicated to that well-known Eastern mystic, Saint Gopak...
Back to singing, and it occurred to me to wonder if anyone still uses Moody & Sankey, even if only for one or two of their hymns?
Wait... there are churches that don't use Go-pak tables?
Mr Cats has played for three funerals this week and I think the Redemption Songs hymnal (Moody and Sankey) has been in use at all of them. Up here on the northeast fishing coast of Scotland there seems to be a strong tradition of music of that ilk, far more than I have known in other parts of rural Scotland.
I probably haven't sung it for about 50 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k8PQ7kz5Js
Alas, the pandemic of 2020 put paid to my idea of a service to commemorate the 200th anniversary of Fanny Crosby's birth with those of her hymns still in circulation today...
What does the Lord require (Sharpthorne)
Deck thyself my soul with gladness (Schmucke Dich) -a favourite of mine.
Be thou my vision (Slane)
It was great to have the return of our organist who had been on leave.