Indeed; carols ( & tree) up to Epiphany among my lot. My father used remind us of the need for solidarity with our Orthodox and Eastern Catholic brethren
Indeed; carols ( & tree) up to Epiphany among my lot. My father used remind us of the need for solidarity with our Orthodox and Eastern Catholic brethren
Except that we Orthodox do not sing carols as part of any church service.
Carols be damned, his view pertained to the later observation of Christmas
Also note that for the Orthodox the liturgical celebration of Christmas finishes on December 31st. January 1st is St Basil's Day and also the Feast of the Circumcision. January 2nd to 5th are the Forefeast of Theophany. January 6th, Theophany, commemorates Christ's Baptism.
Carols be damned, his view pertained to the later observation of Christmas
Also note that for the Orthodox the liturgical celebration of Christmas finishes on December 31st. January 1st is St Basil's Day and also the Feast of the Circumcision. January 2nd to 5th are the Forefeast of Theophany. January 6th, Theophany, commemorates Christ's Baptism.
Just saw this and appreciated Cyprian’s later comment re the Byzantine rite.
Of course other Orthodox ( Serbian, Macedonian and Coptic spring to mind) celebrate Christmas in January
Carols be damned, his view pertained to the later observation of Christmas
Also note that for the Orthodox the liturgical celebration of Christmas finishes on December 31st. January 1st is St Basil's Day and also the Feast of the Circumcision. January 2nd to 5th are the Forefeast of Theophany. January 6th, Theophany, commemorates Christ's Baptism.
Just saw this and appreciated Cyprian’s later comment re the Byzantine rite.
Of course other Orthodox ( Serbian, Macedonian and Coptic spring to mind) celebrate Christmas in January
Isn't it more the case that they celebrate on the 25th December but in the Julian Calendar rather than the Gregorian?
Carols be damned, his view pertained to the later observation of Christmas
Also note that for the Orthodox the liturgical celebration of Christmas finishes on December 31st. January 1st is St Basil's Day and also the Feast of the Circumcision. January 2nd to 5th are the Forefeast of Theophany. January 6th, Theophany, commemorates Christ's Baptism.
Just saw this and appreciated Cyprian’s later comment re the Byzantine rite.
Of course other Orthodox ( Serbian, Macedonian and Coptic spring to mind) celebrate Christmas in January
Isn't it more the case that they celebrate on the 25th December but in the Julian Calendar rather than the Gregorian?
That's right. We all* keep it on the 25th of December. It's just that the Julian calendar is 13 days behind the Gregorian, so Julian 25th December falls on 7th January by the Gregorian reckoning.
*With the exception of the Armenians, who never adopted the 25th December date and still celebrate on 6th January.
We had my least favourite carol this morning - "Good King Wenceslas". As we didn't have it last Sunday when it would have been more appropriate I thought I'd escaped it this year, but sadly not.
There was some discussion about Good King Wenceslas on the Carols thread up in Heaven...
It's not really about God, Jesus, Christmas, or even St Stephen, so it's hardly appropriate at any time IMHO. One of those *carols* which, like Away in a Manger, deserves to be binned (or perhaps banned).
We had my least favourite carol this morning - "Good King Wenceslas". As we didn't have it last Sunday when it would have been more appropriate I thought I'd escaped it this year, but sadly not.
Happily our calendar has stopped transferring Epiphany to the nearest Sunday so I no longer have to stop myself from oom-pahing my way through We Three Kings. (I only play Sundays and the Triduum.)
Our Place had *We Three Kings* (most un-Scriptural) to kick off with today, accompanying a rather chaotic procession of *kings*, led by a *star-bearer*, and being frantically waved and shouted at by FatherInCharge.
On the video, it rather resembles an attempt at herding Cats, and reminds me of the show-biz advice about not working with Children or Animals...
Our Cathedral is celebrating Epiphany on Thursday with the usual early morning and lunch-time Eucharists, plus an early-evening Solemn Eucharist with incense, hymns etc., in place of Evensong. They also intend to have their customary Choral Evensong & Epiphany Procession next Sunday afternoon.
There was some discussion about Good King Wenceslas on the Carols thread up in Heaven...
It's not really about God, Jesus, Christmas, or even St Stephen, so it's hardly appropriate at any time IMHO. One of those *carols* which, like Away in a Manger, deserves to be binned (or perhaps banned). <snip>
Away in a Manger is good for children as it's short. Having learnt it for the school nativity play, Dragonlet 2 could at least sing one of the carols at Mass on Christmas Day. (The rest of the nativity songs generally took tunes they know and gave them suitable lyrics.) I will agree it does sound rather daft if there are just grownups singing it.
We also had that version of As with gladness, but I hadn’t noticed, as I thought I knew the words, so sang them out loud and clear (or as clear as you can with a thick cotton mask).
Also Unto us a boy is born
Hail to the Lord’s anointed
In the bleak (which it wasn’t, it was a cracking day here, sunny and the sea was sparkling as I cycled the 7miles to church)
And something I hadn’t sung before and coin myself blessed in that, with a repetitive tune and derivative words.
We then had a “sermon” of which the point seemed to be to run down Herod (fair enough, but the guy hadn’t verified his sources) and to pray that school nativity plays might soon be able to happen again!
We stayed online this week - we get a lot of folk back and forth over Christmas and wanted to play it safe. We had:
'Tis winter now (O WALY WALY) - couldn't really see much point to this hymn, particularly as we rarely get frost or snow.
Spirit of God, unseen as the wind (SKYE BOAT SONG)
Of the Father's love begotten
I'd taken the opportunity of a nice day earlier in the week to snap some new background videos for the hymns (I've been recycling the same ones for about a year now).
There was some discussion about Good King Wenceslas on the Carols thread up in Heaven...
It's not really about God, Jesus, Christmas, or even St Stephen, so it's hardly appropriate at any time IMHO. One of those *carols* which, like Away in a Manger, deserves to be binned (or perhaps banned).
We had an excellent sermon about Saint King Wenceslas, as well as the saint of the day, on 26 December. I don't think we sang the eponymous carol but IMHO it would have been appropriate. I agree with you about Away in a Manger though.
For the Baptism of Our Lord
All are welcome (which I detest for its smugness and asserting what it patently untrue.)
Psalm and Alleluia.
Take our bread.
Come to the waters (which I love.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqCgMmV7n0
The Light of Christ.
For the Baptism of Our Lord
All are welcome (which I detest for its smugness and asserting what it patently untrue.)
Psalm and Alleluia.
Take our bread.
Come to the waters (which I love.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqCgMmV7n0
The Light of Christ.
For the Baptism of Our Lord
All are welcome (which I detest for its smugness and asserting what it patently untrue.)
Psalm and Alleluia.
Take our bread.
Come to the waters (which I love.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqCgMmV7n0
The Light of Christ.
I thought the whole point of All are welcome was that it's aspirational rather than descriptive. That's why each verse starts "Let us build..."
We had:
God we praise you (ODE TO JOY)
Christ is our light (HIGHLAND CATHEDRAL)
Do not be afraid (DO NOT BE AFRAID)
Dear Lord and Father of mankind (REPTON; which caused me no end of trouble because I'd recorded the vocal track many months ago in 4 parts and unaccompanied, but now needed to add the accompaniment for congregational singing, and it turns out the musescore file I had was not a direct match. Cue much fiddling and faffing with Audacity to get the tempo right and tweak the gaps between the verses to match)
Will your anchor hold (WILL YOUR ANCHOR HOLD)
“We have a gospel to proclaim” (Fulda).
“My Jesus, my Saviour” (by Darlene Zeltsch).
“Christ, when for us you were baptized” (St Bernard).
“Loved with everlasting love” (Everlasting Love).
“Name of all majesty” (by Timothy Dudley-Smith).
For the Baptism of Our Lord
All are welcome (which I detest for its smugness and asserting what it patently untrue.)
Psalm and Alleluia.
Take our bread.
Come to the waters (which I love.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqCgMmV7n0
The Light of Christ.
I thought the whole point of All are welcome was that it's aspirational rather than descriptive. That's why each verse starts "Let us build..."
We had:
God we praise you (ODE TO JOY)
Christ is our light (HIGHLAND CATHEDRAL)
Do not be afraid (DO NOT BE AFRAID)
Dear Lord and Father of mankind (REPTON; which caused me no end of trouble because I'd recorded the vocal track many months ago in 4 parts and unaccompanied, but now needed to add the accompaniment for congregational singing, and it turns out the musescore file I had was not a direct match. Cue much fiddling and faffing with Audacity to get the tempo right and tweak the gaps between the verses to match)
Will your anchor hold (WILL YOUR ANCHOR HOLD)
It may well be, but the way the words are set right at the start of the refrain makes it sound like a description.
For the Baptism of Our Lord
All are welcome (which I detest for its smugness and asserting what it patently untrue.)
Psalm and Alleluia.
Take our bread.
Come to the waters (which I love.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqCgMmV7n0
The Light of Christ.
Another fan of John Foley.
And another fan here.
Today at our place, threads of Epiphany were woven in with the Baptism of the Lord, so we had:
What Star Is This, With Beams So Bright/PUER NOBIS NASCITUR Wash, O God, Your Sons and Daughters/BEACH SPRING Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing/NETTLETON Arise, Your Light Is Come/FESTAL SONG
Today:
Let us build a house (ALL ARE WELCOME)
Spirit of the living God
Holy Spirit, ever living (ABBOT'S LEIGH)
We cannot measure (YE BANKS AND BRAES)
This is a day (ST CLEMENT)
And hurrah! All accompaniments readily available so no re-typing scores for me this week.
Peace Sunday for us Karflicks.
Make me a channel
Psalm and Alleluia
Blest are you who made the universe - Haugen
Bread of Life, light of the world - Farrel
Tell out my soul.
Today's gospel was the Wedding at Cana. I have heard of several places where the preacher made the point that it didn't give people an excuse to go to the local Co-op with a suitcase, and one who wondered if enough wine was produced to satisfy a Number 10 workplace meeting.
All are welcome. Again. We only did it a couple of weeks ago.
Psalm and Alleluia.
In bread we bring you Lord - Yuck.
This is my body. Tolerable.
Go tell everyone - which I detest with a passion, so I play it Oom-pah-pah style.
“Jesus calls us here to meet him” (I chose "Arwelfa" instead of the Lewis folk tune).
“Shine, from the inside out".
“O Christ, the healer” ("Ombersely").
“Come to us, creative Spirit” ("Abbot's Leigh").
“The Spirit came, as promised” ("Ellacombe").
Comments
Except that we Orthodox do not sing carols as part of any church service.
Also note that for the Orthodox the liturgical celebration of Christmas finishes on December 31st. January 1st is St Basil's Day and also the Feast of the Circumcision. January 2nd to 5th are the Forefeast of Theophany. January 6th, Theophany, commemorates Christ's Baptism.
That is not universal in Orthodox practice.
Just saw this and appreciated Cyprian’s later comment re the Byzantine rite.
Of course other Orthodox ( Serbian, Macedonian and Coptic spring to mind) celebrate Christmas in January
Isn't it more the case that they celebrate on the 25th December but in the Julian Calendar rather than the Gregorian?
The post Christmas sales do help.
The East Germans clamoured for bananas after the Wall came down.
That's right. We all* keep it on the 25th of December. It's just that the Julian calendar is 13 days behind the Gregorian, so Julian 25th December falls on 7th January by the Gregorian reckoning.
*With the exception of the Armenians, who never adopted the 25th December date and still celebrate on 6th January.
It was sprung on me at the kiddies' Mass on Christmas Eve.
Doublethink, Temporary Hosting
Auld Lang Syne at the end of today's Mass.
🤮
I'm glad I don't go to church any more...
“Riding out across the desert (The Camel Shuffle)”.
“Meekness and majesty”.
“In a byre near Bethlehem” (Wild Goose).
“As with gladness, men of old”.
It's not really about God, Jesus, Christmas, or even St Stephen, so it's hardly appropriate at any time IMHO. One of those *carols* which, like Away in a Manger, deserves to be binned (or perhaps banned).
A good Piffany-tide selection, though I've not heard *The Camel Shuffle*!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mfhh-cBfS70
Enjoy!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HqjMlr2j3aU
Hauntingly beautiful, and links the principal parts of the Gospel story pretty well.
On the video, it rather resembles an attempt at herding Cats, and reminds me of the show-biz advice about not working with Children or Animals...
Our Cathedral is celebrating Epiphany on Thursday with the usual early morning and lunch-time Eucharists, plus an early-evening Solemn Eucharist with incense, hymns etc., in place of Evensong. They also intend to have their customary Choral Evensong & Epiphany Procession next Sunday afternoon.
Away in a Manger is good for children as it's short. Having learnt it for the school nativity play, Dragonlet 2 could at least sing one of the carols at Mass on Christmas Day. (The rest of the nativity songs generally took tunes they know and gave them suitable lyrics.) I will agree it does sound rather daft if there are just grownups singing it.
Not sure about the theology, though...
As their precious gifts they laid
At thy manger roughly made
We also sang In the bleak midwinter and We three kings.
Also Unto us a boy is born
Hail to the Lord’s anointed
In the bleak (which it wasn’t, it was a cracking day here, sunny and the sea was sparkling as I cycled the 7miles to church)
And something I hadn’t sung before and coin myself blessed in that, with a repetitive tune and derivative words.
We then had a “sermon” of which the point seemed to be to run down Herod (fair enough, but the guy hadn’t verified his sources) and to pray that school nativity plays might soon be able to happen again!
'Tis winter now (O WALY WALY) - couldn't really see much point to this hymn, particularly as we rarely get frost or snow.
Spirit of God, unseen as the wind (SKYE BOAT SONG)
Of the Father's love begotten
I'd taken the opportunity of a nice day earlier in the week to snap some new background videos for the hymns (I've been recycling the same ones for about a year now).
We had an excellent sermon about Saint King Wenceslas, as well as the saint of the day, on 26 December. I don't think we sang the eponymous carol but IMHO it would have been appropriate. I agree with you about Away in a Manger though.
All are welcome (which I detest for its smugness and asserting what it patently untrue.)
Psalm and Alleluia.
Take our bread.
Come to the waters (which I love.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqCgMmV7n0
The Light of Christ.
Another fan of John Foley.
I thought the whole point of All are welcome was that it's aspirational rather than descriptive. That's why each verse starts "Let us build..."
We had:
God we praise you (ODE TO JOY)
Christ is our light (HIGHLAND CATHEDRAL)
Do not be afraid (DO NOT BE AFRAID)
Dear Lord and Father of mankind (REPTON; which caused me no end of trouble because I'd recorded the vocal track many months ago in 4 parts and unaccompanied, but now needed to add the accompaniment for congregational singing, and it turns out the musescore file I had was not a direct match. Cue much fiddling and faffing with Audacity to get the tempo right and tweak the gaps between the verses to match)
Will your anchor hold (WILL YOUR ANCHOR HOLD)
“My Jesus, my Saviour” (by Darlene Zeltsch).
“Christ, when for us you were baptized” (St Bernard).
“Loved with everlasting love” (Everlasting Love).
“Name of all majesty” (by Timothy Dudley-Smith).
It may well be, but the way the words are set right at the start of the refrain makes it sound like a description.
Today at our place, threads of Epiphany were woven in with the Baptism of the Lord, so we had:
What Star Is This, With Beams So Bright/PUER NOBIS NASCITUR
Wash, O God, Your Sons and Daughters/BEACH SPRING
Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing/NETTLETON
Arise, Your Light Is Come/FESTAL SONG
I can only think of one way in which beans are likely to result in anything bright.
I think we'll stick with beams.
Let us build a house (ALL ARE WELCOME)
Spirit of the living God
Holy Spirit, ever living (ABBOT'S LEIGH)
We cannot measure (YE BANKS AND BRAES)
This is a day (ST CLEMENT)
And hurrah! All accompaniments readily available so no re-typing scores for me this week.
Make me a channel
Psalm and Alleluia
Blest are you who made the universe - Haugen
Bread of Life, light of the world - Farrel
Tell out my soul.
Today's gospel was the Wedding at Cana. I have heard of several places where the preacher made the point that it didn't give people an excuse to go to the local Co-op with a suitcase, and one who wondered if enough wine was produced to satisfy a Number 10 workplace meeting.
CW HC Epiphany 2.
O worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness - Was Lebet.
Take my life - Nottingham
Jesus is Lord
BCP Evensong
O worship… as above
The people that in darkness sat - Dundee
As with gladness- Dix
Anthem- Virgin born we bow before thee-
L. Bourgeois, c 1510-1561
O worship the king ( Hanover )
We three kings ( Kings of Orient)
Lord the light of your love is shining ( Shine Jesus shine)
Taizé chant. : Holy Spirit come to us
Anthem: Brightest and best- setting by Malcolm Archer. Ladies only this morning, so a 3 part version.
How are churches in Oz dealing with the Australia/Invasion day conflict?
Psalm and Alleluia.
In bread we bring you Lord - Yuck.
This is my body. Tolerable.
Go tell everyone - which I detest with a passion, so I play it Oom-pah-pah style.
“Jesus calls us here to meet him” (I chose "Arwelfa" instead of the Lewis folk tune).
“Shine, from the inside out".
“O Christ, the healer” ("Ombersely").
“Come to us, creative Spirit” ("Abbot's Leigh").
“The Spirit came, as promised” ("Ellacombe").