Is this not rude

HugalHugal Shipmate
edited 7:10AM in Hell
A woman sat in the seat behind me on my commuter train opened window. What about others in the carriage? What if we don’t want the window open? In other circumstances doing something similar would count as being rude. I am now colder than I want to be. Her choice has dictated what others feel like. There is little I can do. Shutting the window again would be as rude. So I live with it. What are other shipmates’ experiences?

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  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    From the POV of people who WANT cool air coming into the train, would it be rude to keep the window closed?
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    edited 10:16AM
    stetson wrote: »
    From the POV of people who WANT cool air coming into the train, would it be rude to keep the window closed?

    That is the problem. There is no agreement either way. Neither side ask they both just assume it is ok. It is not too bad at the moment but in winter people open the windows and you can visibly see other shiver because it is so cold.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Could be any number of reasons the woman needs the window open. Could be that time of life, for instance.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    I think the problem is not asking first. Of course, asking first would amount to Talking to a Stranger on Public Transport, which in many cities is Just Not Done.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Yeah, I was trying to imagine someone doing that over there. I was never more lonely than when I was doing the tourist thing on my own in England. Thank goodness for the occasional oddballs who would talk to me!
  • It does vary which part of the country you're in and what form of transport you are using, but yes, I can imagine how lonely it would feel as a lone traveller here.

    I tend to chat to tourists and other travellers when I can. Whether I am an oddball is for others to decide.

    The apparent rudeness in the OP depends on the circumstances. I've often seen people ask their fellow passengers whether it's OK for them to open the window.
  • Although given your reputation for rudeness here on the Ship ...

    I'll get me coat ...
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited 3:22PM
    I’m just surprised the windows of a commuter train can be opened.

  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I’m just surprised the windows of a commuter train can be opened.

    Yeah, and I've experienced the case where there were both openable windows and A/C - which tends to lead to a kind of tug of war effect in the heat
  • HelenEvaHelenEva Shipmate
    edited 3:48PM
    I've heard people ask about opening windows on buses, and sometimes not ask. I think it comes down to how people under stress can't really imagine that anyone could feel different to them. So if I'm burning hot I don't really think except to assume everyone else is too so they'll clearly see that the window needs opening.

    Unless I remember to be polite. Which I might not.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    edited 4:00PM
    Hugal wrote: »
    A woman sat in the seat behind me on my commuter train opened window. What about others in the carriage? What if we don’t want the window open? In other circumstances doing something similar would count as being rude. I am now colder than I want to be. Her choice has dictated what others feel like. There is little I can do. Shutting the window again would be as rude. So I live with it. What are other shipmates’ experiences?

    I find it surprising you can manage to be too cold on a train, in a heatwave, that is apparently too full for you to change seat and get out of the draft.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I’m just surprised the windows of a commuter train can be opened.

    Why's that? We are talking about the top part not the entire glass panel.

    Some more modern train carriages here don't have windows that open, as far as I am aware. It's not something that's ever bothered me one way or another and although I no longer commute by train I do use them fairly regularly.

    I'm more bothered by over-crowded trains, delayed trains or blocked loos.

    I'm old enough to remember the old fashioned carriages with compartments. They were more sociable and you could open the windows.

    C S Lewis had a story of his father travelling in one in Northern Ireland. A fellow passenger, was unable to get to the toilet (for whatever reason, possibly lack of a corridor and an expectation that you 'went' into the carriage with the toilets when the train stopped at a station?). The fella dropped his trousers and did a dump on the carriage floor.

    Lewis's father opened the windows and lit a pipe to disguise the smell whereupon the grumpy passenger pointed to the 'No Smoking' sign on the carriage window.

    Lewis's father felt it was emblematic of double-standards in Ulster Protestant religiosity.

    At least we don't have to put up with that sort of thing on Britain's modern and efficient rail network ....
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    Although given your reputation for rudeness here on the Ship ...

    I'll get me coat ...
    Has anyone on the Ship ever told you that following an ill-timed offensive comment with a wink or smiley face or "I'll get me coat" or some other method of taking it back doesn't actually take it back? I feel it must have come up once or twice, or three times, or every single time you do it.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Surely if it bothers you that the window has been opened, you can always say: "Excuse me, would you mind if we closed the window again? I actually find it a little too cold now" rather than suffering in silence? After all if you expect her to take the trouble to ask before opening it, why shouldn't you take the trouble to object if it bothers you?
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    I’m just surprised the windows of a commuter train can be opened.
    Why's that? We are talking about the top part not the entire glass panel.
    Because on any public transport train or bus I’ve been on in the US, at least this century, the windows can’t be opened at all.


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