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  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    You'd be tempted to adapt Byron -

    Posterity will ne'er survey
    A nobler grave than this
    Here lie the bones of Donald Trump
    Stop traveller and piss.
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    The Egyptian pharaohs tried having gold-encrusted tombs, and the entrepreneurs among the local populace started robbing them before the mortar was dry on the sealed entrance. Come to think of it, that would be an appropriate memorial for the Odious Orange One.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Claire Hanna (SDLP) said that Trump clearly "wasn't as orange as he looks"....

    That's very good. I was travelling through rural Antrim twice last week. There were a lot of flags out, and some fresh-looking slogans painted up including 'we will never accept a united Ireland' which struck me as surprisingly enthusiastic / emphatic (though, admittedly, I have spent a lot more time in Belfast and Dublin than in rural Antrim) until I got home and heard the surprising recent pronouncements of the US Prince of Orange.

    That's interesting. I was wondering how seriously Unionists, who have been rather pro-Trump by and large, would take his recent comments. Answer - apparently quite seriously.
  • A whitewashed sepulchre?
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    The Rogue wrote: »
    A whitewashed sepulchre?
    That would be too boring for him. Maybe a US-flag blue coating, that starts to peel away almost immediately.

  • Claire Hanna (SDLP) said that Trump clearly "wasn't as orange as he looks"....

    That's very good. I was travelling through rural Antrim twice last week. There were a lot of flags out, and some fresh-looking slogans painted up including 'we will never accept a united Ireland' which struck me as surprisingly enthusiastic / emphatic (though, admittedly, I have spent a lot more time in Belfast and Dublin than in rural Antrim) until I got home and heard the surprising recent pronouncements of the US Prince of Orange.

    That's interesting. I was wondering how seriously Unionists, who have been rather pro-Trump by and large, would take his recent comments. Answer - apparently quite seriously.

    IME, Unionists and both-siders are fond of the analysis which holds that no one ever supported the IRA except a bunch of rich Americans in New York and Boston. That always struck me as conveniently self-exonerating, and one wonders how Sinn Fein could have prospered as well as they have post-Troubles if their affiliated underground was hated by everyone except a few Americans, but Trump's comments were probably just perfect for picking that particular scab.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    The Rogue wrote: »
    A whitewashed sepulchre?
    That would be too boring for him. Maybe a US-flag blue coating, that starts to peel away almost immediately.

    With
    The Greatest Leader Ever
    Written on it.
  • The new Ballroom at the White House would make a fitting mausoleum, filled up with all the useless golden tat in which he so much delights.

    Well, until the tomb-robbers get to it, that is.
  • The new Ballroom at the White House would make a fitting mausoleum, . . . .
    Oh, absolutely not! The very last thing we need is Trump in the White House permanently.


  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    The new Ballroom at the White House would make a fitting mausoleum, . . . .
    Oh, absolutely not! The very last thing we need is Trump in the White House permanently.


    Under the White House. That sounds better
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    Why does trump seem to love all things destructive?

    Unfettered AI
    Oil
    Gas
    Guns
    War

    This list goes on.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited September 24
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    The new Ballroom at the White House would make a fitting mausoleum, . . . .
    Oh, absolutely not! The very last thing we need is Trump in the White House permanently.


    Fair point. Let the Ballroom be razed, and let there be no stone or mausoleum anywhere.
  • Journalists regain access to White House after judge blocks Trump's media ban. I am sort of sorry to hear this. I have been enjoying not seeing face, or hearing his voice.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Boogie wrote: »
    Why does trump seem to love all things destructive?

    Unfettered AI
    Oil
    Gas
    Guns
    War

    This list goes on.

    All answered by one: money.
  • Boogie wrote: »
    Why does trump seem to love all things destructive?

    Unfettered AI
    Oil
    Gas
    Guns
    War

    This list goes on.

    Because it's much, much harder to build than to destroy? And requires keeping one's mind on a single project, instead of flitting from this to that like an over-caffeinated hummingbird.
  • Yes, and all this destructive flitting about distracts from certain Files...
  • Boogie wrote: »
    Why does trump seem to love all things destructive?

    Unfettered AI
    Oil
    Gas
    Guns
    War

    This list goes on.

    All answered by one: money.

    I’m sure Trump is motivated by the need to show how powerful he is, and an absurd amount of vanity.

  • Doesn’t this make you want to throw up?.

    Mussolini built something a lot like this ninety years ago.
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    sionisais wrote: »
    Boogie wrote: »
    Why does trump seem to love all things destructive?

    Unfettered AI
    Oil
    Gas
    Guns
    War

    This list goes on.

    All answered by one: money.

    I’m sure Trump is motivated by the need to show how powerful he is, and an absurd amount of vanity.

    Being powerful and a winner certainly seems to be the motivation imo. That's basically what Sebastian Stan has said when asked about Trump's motivation wrt playing him in The Apprentice (which is very good by the way, Jeremy Strong is incredible as Roy Cohn).
  • sionisais wrote: »
    Doesn’t this make you want to throw up?.

    Mussolini built something a lot like this ninety years ago.

    Yes, and look what happened to him...
    :grimace:

  • sionisais wrote: »
    Doesn’t this make you want to throw up?.

    Mussolini built something a lot like this ninety years ago.

    Another forum I read had this captioned with '...but you're not as confused as him, are you - it's not your job to be as confused as Donald...'

    I admit I had to check here to be sure I got the joke as intended.
  • I know "Bully" in the UK may be a positive reference, but "bully" in America usually means something very negative, like picking on a small country 90 miles off shore. CBS reports they have seen Army Reserve memos drawing up plans for security, police, and medical personnel for the invasion of Cuba.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    I know "Bully" in the UK may be a positive reference,

    Is there a particular context in which you think this is the case?
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    I know "Bully" in the UK may be a positive reference,

    Is there a particular context in which you think this is the case?
    Shakespeare and other archaic uses?

  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    I know "Bully" in the UK may be a positive reference, but "bully" in America usually means something very negative, like picking on a small country 90 miles off shore. CBS reports they have seen Army Reserve memos drawing up plans for security, police, and medical personnel for the invasion of Cuba.

    The next distraction from The Files™?
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    I know "Bully" in the UK may be a positive reference
    If it is I’ve never encountered it in six plus decades
  • I have a distant memory that Mark Twain uses “bully” in a positive sense in Huck Finn, an early scene where the boys are playing on a beach beside the river and play circuses. A great book, which the subject of this thread might learn something from.
  • "Bully for you" was a familiar encouraging phrase in England, meaning something like "Well done!" I haven't heard it for a very long time, and I don't know the origin.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    Bully in the alley, per the famous sea shanty, meant drunk. So I wonder if bully was originally something you drank. So you might have it in celebration. But people who became obnoxious when drunk changed the words meaning ?
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    edited September 26
    Turns out I was totally wrong.. That’s what I get for not supporting John Finnemore’s campaign for real pub conversation.
  • I have a distant memory that Mark Twain uses “bully” in a positive sense in Huck Finn, an early scene where the boys are playing on a beach beside the river and play circuses. A great book, which the subject of this thread might learn something from.
    "Bully for you" was a familiar encouraging phrase in England, meaning something like "Well done!" I haven't heard it for a very long time, and I don't know the origin.
    As was common at the time (and as repeatedly quoted in “Arsenic and Old Lace”), Teddy Roosevelt frequently used “bully” to mean “superb” or “excellent.” He also coined the term “bully pulpit”—a prominent position from which one can advocate for an agenda. In the US, it almost always refers to the president’s ability to advocate.

    Only with the current incumbent has the “bully” in “bully pulpit” had the possible connotation of bullying.


  • edited September 27
    "Bully for you" was a familiar encouraging phrase in England, meaning something like "Well done!" I haven't heard it for a very long time, and I don't know the origin.

    Even that degenerated into 'well, bully for you!' - a sarcastic use still occasionally heard here (my Mum used it), whereas my Dad preferred 'pull up the ladder, Jack' :-)

    (Mind, there's always 'Great, Smashing, Super - here's what you could've won' :-) :-) )
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    BroJames wrote: »
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    I know "Bully" in the UK may be a positive reference
    If it is I’ve never encountered it in six plus decades
    Except in relation to a darts based TV game show, though in that case a proper noun.
  • That dates you a bit @Alan Cresswell !
    :naughty:

  • Meanwhile, over in Germany, the far-right AfD party is targeting Germany's public broadcasting system. I wonder whose playbook they stole that idea from? Petulant Trump is not only a disaster for the USA, but for the free world.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited September 29
    Hedgehog wrote: »
    Meanwhile, over in Germany, the far-right AfD party is targeting Germany's public broadcasting system. I wonder whose playbook they stole that idea from?

    Because the German far-right could not possibly have any other inspiration for its fascist program than MAGA?
  • PomonaPomona Shipmate
    edited September 29
    Hedgehog wrote: »
    Meanwhile, over in Germany, the far-right AfD party is targeting Germany's public broadcasting system. I wonder whose playbook they stole that idea from? Petulant Trump is not only a disaster for the USA, but for the free world.

    I mean that feels like it's straight out of the Tories' playbook, which was happening well before Trump or even Obama were president. Targeting public broadcasting is a longtime right-wing habit, not even a specifically fascist one.
  • Pomona wrote: »
    Hedgehog wrote: »
    Meanwhile, over in Germany, the far-right AfD party is targeting Germany's public broadcasting system. I wonder whose playbook they stole that idea from? Petulant Trump is not only a disaster for the USA, but for the free world.

    I mean that feels like it's straight out of the Tories' playbook, which was happening well before Trump or even Obama were president. Targeting public broadcasting is a longtime right-wing habit, not even a specifically fascist one.

    And even if Trump is the particular model for imitation this time around, it's ultimately a case of German voters and politicians, not Trump, choosing to inflict the "disaster" upon their own nation.

    The Alberta government's neoliberal austerity policy of the 1990s was directly inspired by David Lange in New Zealand. But as a left-wing Albertan myself, I don't say "David Lange was a disaster not only for New Zealand, but for Alberta." Because it still required people in Alberta to vote in a local government that was pushing the copycat agenda.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    He's speaking, so he's lying. Or, at best, just making stuff up.

    Now he's dribbling on about the RAF fairford incident as if he knows what happened. Pratt.
  • But...but...he's the Most Intelligent President Who Has Ever Lived™, so he must know exactly what the mysterious Fairford incident is all about...

    A strange affair, though.
  • But...but...he's the Most Intelligent President Who Has Ever Lived™, so he must know exactly what the mysterious Fairford incident is all about...

    A strange affair, though.

    Not certain about Trump, but Marco Rubio is blethering away about “foreign actors” with no evidence whatsoever.
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    FWIW the people who have been arrested are all British nationals.
  • I’m not going to comment further about possible charges, but it’s all over the Book of Face. Americans are in a tizzy too, some suggesting that US military personnel and their families should leave the U.K. as these supposed allies can’t guarantee their safety.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Police have stated that the vans had no explosives, but contained petrol. Stolen for profit?
    So what do Trump and Rubio think they know?
  • Anything that may distract attention from The Files™ and/or The War™...
  • There has been a suggestion that the war was started to take attention off the files. Could Mr Trump start talking about the files again (fake news!) to distract from the war?
  • I suspect the war is also being used as a distraction from the midterms.
  • I'm open to rebuttal, but I'm not convinced that in a hypothetical time-line in which the Iran War wasn't happening, there would be a lot of attention on the Files anyway.
  • Why not? Anything involving a head of state and sex must surely attract attention...
  • Why not? Anything involving a head of state and sex must surely attract attention...

    Brenda and Keith were regular stars in Private Eye. Paris Match used their real names, and “Yvonne”.

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