Crimes Against Tea

The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
edited November 2024 in Heaven
I follow an Irish musician and comedian named Garron Noone on Instagram, and I enjoy a lot of his stuff, much of it culturally targeted. That said, one of his recurring bits is "Crimes Against Tea" in which he overdubs exasperated commentary for videos by other creators (usually feckless Americans) who are, in his opinion, committing horrible, hot beverage atrocities.

On the Old Ship, I once began an inquiring thread about tea shortly after purchasing a new tea kettle. I can't confess to ever having reached aficionado status with it, as I was then and still am, primarily, a coffee drinker. That said, without pouring a second cup of boiling water onto a spent teabag, let's chat about Tea, and why we're probably still doing it wrong over here, LOL.
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  • BOILING WATER IS ESSENTIAL!!! Err, sorry, I seem to be shouting...

    There are few things worse than being presented with a cup of hot water with a tea bag* next to it. You know the teabag is shite, and it'll never get a chance to brew to what little potential it has as the water is already to cool for a good brew.

    * tea bags have their own circle of hell, but they are convenient.
  • Don’t hold back — this is the scalding content we need!
  • This topic should be in a thread in the other place. When I worked in Kalamazoo I explained and demonstrated the instructions below to some dear US colleagues. Here goes:

    (a) Tea bags are an invention of the evil one. Use loose, but not finely ground, tea leaves (from a proper shop). I'm fond of Assam.
    (b) water (hard or soft, etc and not stale, i.e boil it from cold) ideally to suit the brand of tea, but filtered is usually OK.
    (c) boiling water straight from the kettle. Needs to be close to 100 deg Celsius. Can't make proper tea on a mountain or in an aeroplane.
    (d) warm the pot first.
    (e) brew for 5 min.
    (c) add milk first
    (d) do not add sugar.

    Moi, a tea snob? Surely not?

    I could also go on about 'Instant coffee', any oxymoron if ever there was one. It's not coffee and it's not instant.

    I really should get out more .......
  • SandemaniacSandemaniac Shipmate
    edited November 2024
    Instant coffee has its uses.

    I've been developing photographic film in it recently.

    Really.

    It really works!
  • Speaking of not using water at a full boil, I was buying tea at a French specialty shop (long story) and the owner specifically advised me not to use water at a full boil. Now that I think of it that may have just been for that particular tea (though it was a blend of black teas so I can’t think why) but I was wondering if anyone was aware of a cross-Channel cultural difference on this issue.
  • RockyRoger wrote: »
    (a) Tea bags are an invention of the evil one. Use loose, but not finely ground, tea leaves (from a proper shop). I'm fond of Assam.
    (b) water (hard or soft, etc and not stale, i.e boil it from cold) ideally to suit the brand of tea, but filtered is usually OK.
    (c) boiling water straight from the kettle. Needs to be close to 100 deg Celsius. Can't make proper tea on a mountain or in an aeroplane.
    (d) warm the pot first.
    (e) brew for 5 min.
    (c) add milk first
    (d) do not add sugar.
    Your lettering is a little confusing, but I am largely in agreement (including a fondness for Assam--although some afternoons are meant for Darjeeling).

    I would quibble that brew time also depends on the tea. 5 minutes is too long for a Darjeeling. But, to be honest, it has been a long time since I bothered to actually time the brewing. I have come to trust the little instinctive timer in my head that suddenly goes off to tell me that the tea has brewed enough.

    And I cannot stand milk in my tea. Or cream.

    But other than those points, we are in agreement.
  • Someone I know used to be a teapot person. Lately, the mug barely gets the faintest whiff of a teabag before it is removed and dumped [money is tight, but surely you want it to steep for some time...] I guess tastes may change?
  • When I was in the Netherlands many moons ago, finding decent teabags in a supermarket was very challenging. And getting them to put cold milk in it out and about took hard work.
    Where do folk stand on flavours like earl grey and lapsang?
  • You can buy kettles which switch off below boiling, I think some teas are better, can't remember which.
  • Oh, obviously green tea.
  • Twangist wrote: »
    Where do folk stand on flavours like earl grey and lapsang?
    You will pry my Earl Grey and Russian Caravan from my cold, dead hands.
  • Also white tea, don't use boiling water.
  • Twangist wrote: »
    When I was in the Netherlands many moons ago, finding decent teabags in a supermarket was very challenging. And getting them to put cold milk in it out and about took hard work.
    Where do folk stand on flavours like earl grey and lapsang?

    I like both, though for Earl Grey at least it depends a lot on what base tea they use. The Canadian Twinings Earl Grey is pretty meh (can’t speak to the UK version which may be better), but the non-branded “Earl Grey Premium” we get from our local tea shop is excellent.

  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    This may seem like a stupid question but do people in the US have electric kettles? I think it is intrinsically a problematic electrical engineering question due to the lower 110V a.c. supply which leads to massively reduced power to the element.
  • I dated a girl my first year of college whose favorite tea was Lady Gray.

    Loose, yes! We have two varieties of loose tea in the house at the mo.' I dare not say what they are though, or it'll be 1812 all over again.
  • This may seem like a stupid question but do people in the US have electric kettles? I think it is intrinsically a problematic electrical engineering question due to the lower 110V a.c. supply which leads to massively reduced power to the element.

    Electric kettles are pretty much ubiquitous in North America. I don’t think there’s any practical difference between 110 and 220 volts in terms of what the kettle does (having used both in recent memory).

  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    Well if you used an identical kettle with the same amount of water it would take 4 times as long to boil...
  • Lamb ChoppedLamb Chopped Shipmate
    edited November 2024
    I think it depends on where you are in the U.S. I’d never seen one till I married an Asian and got a hot pot (aka “boiler”) which doesn’t look like a kettle (we did have stovetop ones) but rather like a big coffee urn, except the hot water dispenser was near the top of the contraption. It’s also not designed to brew tea or anything else—it’s intended to supply boiling water which gets decanted into a teapot, mug or other container.
    Years later I saw the kettle-looking things that were in fact electrified. But not till I moved cross country. In my experience, people who wanted hot water used a stove, a microwave, or a coffee maker without the filter and coffee.
  • Lamb ChoppedLamb Chopped Shipmate
    edited November 2024
    … the reason the boilers / hotpots were more prevalent was I think precisely because of the electrical strength difference—it doesn’t matter if it takes four times as long to boil if it then sits there quietly all day, keeping your gallon of water just below boiling at all times (there is a reboil button for those who must have it absolutely at boiling point, and it takes maybe a minute).
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Marsupial wrote: »
    This may seem like a stupid question but do people in the US have electric kettles? I think it is intrinsically a problematic electrical engineering question due to the lower 110V a.c. supply which leads to massively reduced power to the element.

    Electric kettles are pretty much ubiquitous in North America. I don’t think there’s any practical difference between 110 and 220 volts in terms of what the kettle does (having used both in recent memory).

    They're more common than they used to be, but I wouldn't say they're ubiquitous, at least not in the US. I only acquired one a year ago, and I know plenty of people who just microwave water. I've seen the explanation that our lower voltage means stovetop kettles are just as fast as electric, but that is not my experience. I love how fast my electric kettle is and that I can specify a temperature.
    There are few things worse than being presented with a cup of hot water with a tea bag* next to it. You know the teabag is shite, and it'll never get a chance to brew to what little potential it has as the water is already to cool for a good brew.

    * tea bags have their own circle of hell, but they are convenient.

    I occasionally order tea in restaurants, and I nearly always regret it. There is one horror you've left out: the second cup that's made with the not hot enough water and a spent teabag. A lot of times now they at least give you a little caddy of teabags; before that became a semi-regular practice, I once got a server to bring me a fresh teabag by pointing out that the coffee drinkers didn't get a second cup made from re-used grounds.
  • Ruth wrote: »
    Marsupial wrote: »
    This may seem like a stupid question but do people in the US have electric kettles? I think it is intrinsically a problematic electrical engineering question due to the lower 110V a.c. supply which leads to massively reduced power to the element.

    Electric kettles are pretty much ubiquitous in North America. I don’t think there’s any practical difference between 110 and 220 volts in terms of what the kettle does (having used both in recent memory).

    They're more common than they used to be, but I wouldn't say they're ubiquitous, at least not in the US. I only acquired one a year ago, and I know plenty of people who just microwave water.
    We don’t have one, and I can’t remember the last time I saw one in someone’s house. The last time I had one was in college. We just use a kettle on the stove, which I think most people around here do.


  • Well if you used an identical kettle with the same amount of water it would take 4 times as long to boil...

    I have to admit it's not something I notice, though I spend much more time in 110-volt-land than 220-volt-land (and have never had the opportunity to be in both places at once for an A-B comparison :wink: ). For my practical purposes they're plenty fast and certainly faster and more convenient than stovetop.
  • Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Ruth wrote: »
    Marsupial wrote: »
    This may seem like a stupid question but do people in the US have electric kettles? I think it is intrinsically a problematic electrical engineering question due to the lower 110V a.c. supply which leads to massively reduced power to the element.

    Electric kettles are pretty much ubiquitous in North America. I don’t think there’s any practical difference between 110 and 220 volts in terms of what the kettle does (having used both in recent memory).

    They're more common than they used to be, but I wouldn't say they're ubiquitous, at least not in the US. I only acquired one a year ago, and I know plenty of people who just microwave water.
    We don’t have one, and I can’t remember the last time I saw one in someone’s house. The last time I had one was in college. We just use a kettle on the stove, which I think most people around here do.


    I wouldn't have guessed there would be any difference between Canadian and American habits on this point, but it looks like I may have been wrong... or possibly wrong about Canadian habits I suppose. I've owned an electric kettle for as long as I can remember and I don't think of that as being particularly unusual...
  • Earl Grey tastes like the bottom of a used ashtray. I enjoy an excellent Turkish tea now and again, but without the heaping spoons full of sugar they usually employ.
  • MarsupialMarsupial Shipmate
    edited November 2024
    Earl Grey tastes like the bottom of a used ashtray. I enjoy an excellent Turkish tea now and again, but without the heaping spoons full of sugar they usually employ.

    EG or Lapsang? I can imagine someone perceiving Lapsang that way but EG not so much.

    I like Lapsang though probably preferably in a Russian Caravan blend than all by itself.

    <tangenting away from crimes>
    My usual go-tos for everyday teas at the moment are Assam or Keemun. There was a Yunnan we both really liked from our local purveyor of teas but somehow during Covid it became a paler version of its former self and no longer worth the premium we were paying for it. I like Sikkim and Darjeeling but they’re expensive and it can be hard to find one that works well with milk. For flavoured teas Mariage Freres Marco Polo is guilty pleasure, though not readily available in North America as far as I know.
  • Wife finally broke down and bought an electric kettle. Previously she would put a kettle on a gas burner and it would take forever to boil.

    We have hard water here too. We do use a water filter, but the old kettle was still building up scaling residue. With the electric kettle, we can whip any residue straight away.

    One thing we learned is do not reheat coffee in an electric kettle. It will change the taste of the water. Gets too hot anyway. We did not do it ourselves. A friend did it with hers. Had dispose of the kettle.
  • This is not criticising your friend but the thought of heating anything other than water in an electric kettle never occured to me. We are wondrous in our diverse thinking, even if the results were not as expected.
  • @Climacus said
    Someone I know used to be a teapot person.

    OMG did she sound like Angela Lansbury? And how is Chip doing?
  • For those who use loose tea leaves, how do you keep them from getting into the cup? I use a strainer but then you have to clean that…
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    Someone asked about French tea culture. It has changed massively in the last 20 - 30 years. Back in the day you used to be presented with a Lipton yellow teabag and a cup of water out of the microwave. If we're talking about crimes against tea, microwaving the water is a particularly egregious one. Even if you can get the water hot enough, it gets a sort of scuzzy foam on top which is seriously nasty. However the French have now repented and tea has become fashionable. Electric kettles are now common and independent tea shops proliferate.

    However, if you like stronger / bitter tea like you get in England, it's still not easy to find because the French don't usually put milk in their tea. If you want to find the English brands, your best bet is to find the South Asian people (my source is a corner shop run by Sri Lankan people).
  • ChastMastr wrote: »
    @Climacus said
    Someone I know used to be a teapot person.

    OMG did she sound like Angela Lansbury? And how is Chip doing?

    Ha ha.

    On the loose leaf question, I use an infuser. Still needs cleaning, but I find after dumping the leaves the remainder wash out easily.
  • Back in the day you used to be presented with a Lipton yellow teabag and a cup of water out of the microwave.

    Ah, Lipton. Guaranteed quality. You know when you see that yellow bag that it's going to be so weak you have to take your jacket off to help it out of the cup.

    I haven't seen it since ye plague, but in the Netherlands "real" tea was usually grim, but their mint tea was a handful of fresh mint leaves in a glass of hot water, and it's fabulous!

  • A 110V kettle can be as fast as a 240V version as long as the power rating is the same. Watts = Volts x Amps, so the resistance of the heating element of the 110V kettle has to be a little less than half that of the 240V, i.e. half the volts and twice the amps, more or less. It does result in a heavy current, though, and as some North America appliances still don't have on/off switches, you get a big fat spark when you unplug them. (I've noticed that North American electricians always refer to the supply as 120V).
  • Coincidentally Iwas rostered to do Tea duty at choir last night. As this occurs only once a year there are written instructions. Two lots. One said 3 tea bags for the pot, the other said 6. We never know how many people will want tea or coffee. Most have neither. Last night we opted for four bags. It was fine.
  • A 110V kettle can be as fast as a 240V version as long as the power rating is the same. Watts = Volts x Amps, so the resistance of the heating element of the 110V kettle has to be a little less than half that of the 240V, i.e. half the volts and twice the amps, more or less. It does result in a heavy current, though, and as some North America appliances still don't have on/off switches, you get a big fat spark when you unplug them. (I've noticed that North American electricians always refer to the supply as 120V).

    Thanks. I figured I couldn’t be completely out to lunch on this but the last time I studied anything about electricity was in Grade 9.

    We keep two clean teapots on the counter, one large and one small, ready to be deployed at short notice. Ms. Marsupial also has a strainer she can use if making only one cup.
  • Mrs. The_Riv and I actually own two different ceramic teapots, but use neither. Someone also gave us a Japanese tea set when we were married -- we've use the little cups a number of times, but never the little pot. We are stovetop tea kettle people.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    I have multiple infusers - a couple with handles, the rest on chains and shaped like fish or a teapot or just a ball. Sometimes I use a small teapot and pour through a strainer. I picked up an old yellow Fiesta ware teapot at a thrift shop for 5 bucks - I assume they didn't recognize the brand.

    A local coffee roaster also sells loose tea, so I buy tea there, mostly Earl Grey. I haven't seen Russian Caravan since I was a kid and there were a lot of Twinings loose teas in the grocery store. I loved it.

    Does anyone in the US have a place they like for ordering tea online?
  • Ruth wrote: »
    Does anyone in the US have a place they like for ordering tea online?
    Not a tea drinker myself, but my son, who can be very particular about tea and coffee, orders from The Republic of Tea.


  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Thanks!
  • ChastMastrChastMastr Shipmate
    edited November 2024
    I can say that Dollar Tea Club, or whomever runs it, has some great stuff.

    I’ve been doing a lot more with coffee for sometime now, but I will say, and I know some people will react with horror to this, but I will take a 16 ounce (473 ml) Pyrex measuring cup of water, add three tea bags (I like PG Tips best for regular tea) or an equivalent amount of loose tea, microwave that sucker for three minutes (I hear everyone shriek 😈), and then I have my tea, strained through a little strainer if it’s loose (which I still hate cleaning—I have tried the tea ball thing but it’s even more of a mess to clean, which is why I was hoping for something better than my method), whether into a teapot (another thing to wash, sigh) or just a mug. I’ve usually had it with milk (put in first) and sweetener (I used to put in a level of sugar that would supersaturate into a sort of sludge at the bottom), but since I’ve gotten used to coffee without milk (I was on an antibiotic some time back which disallowed dairy within four hours of taking it for a while), I now prefer coffee without milk (it was always an absolute requirement for me all my life till like a year ago), so I’m not sure how I will prefer my tea these days.
  • I haven't Googled it, because I'd rather hear from Shipmates here, but is there a freshness "window" with tea, especially looseleaf tea, like there is with coffee beans? There is actually a marked difference between grinding very recently roasted beans, and grinding roasted beans that have been on a shelf for a while. Is tea similar?
  • I went off strong tea when I was pregnant and still drink it weak, I was advised to drink decaf for health reasons and Darllenwr also drinks that at home. The reason for decaf has gone away, and following Covid, my sense of taste has also gone, and so drinking decaf is now largely a matter of habit.
    We sometimes drink Lady Grey as it’s not so heavily flavoured as Earl Grey . Lord P only drinks Earl Grey.
    We have a rather nice kettle from Lakeland after seeing one at our holiday cottage this year.
  • Ruth wrote: »

    Does anyone in the US have a place they like for ordering tea online?

    The Little Red Cup is my all time favorite.
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host
    Nick Tamen wrote: »
    Ruth wrote: »
    Does anyone in the US have a place they like for ordering tea online?
    Not a tea drinker myself, but my son, who can be very particular about tea and coffee, orders from The Republic of Tea.

    I agree with @Nick Tamen's son! I have several favorites from The Republic of Tea. Sometimes they have a special for ordering a certain amount and they send another tin for free. Those are always tea bags, which is OK for when I travel. I use loose leaf tea every day.

    Those times I was on the other side of the pond, I had wished that we had electric kettles here. That wish did finally come true! I love my electric kettle, and have gifted them to my daughter and my best friend!
  • Has anyone mentioned sun tea or iced tea (expecting shocked reactions)?
  • Twangist wrote: »
    When I was in the Netherlands many moons ago, finding decent teabags in a supermarket was very challenging. And getting them to put cold milk in it out and about took hard work.
    Where do folk stand on flavours like earl grey and lapsang?

    Earl Grey is fine in certain circumstances, as long as you don't attempt to put milk in it. That's just nasty.
  • ClimacusClimacus Shipmate
    edited November 2024
    HarryCH wrote: »
    Has anyone mentioned sun tea or iced tea (expecting shocked reactions)?
    Bubble tea? I did go through a phase of obsession over this.

    Had not heard of sun tea. Interesting.

    Confirming myself as someone for whom there is no redemption, I do occasionally go for store-bought (no added sugar) iced tea. One day I will try some proper stuff if I get back to the States; I have the impression, perhaps erroneously, it is a Southern thing.
  • HarryCH wrote: »
    Has anyone mentioned sun tea or iced tea (expecting shocked reactions)?
    I assumed this thread was only about hot tea. In my younger days, if you simply said “tea,” it was assumed you meant iced tea. That has changed, but good iced tea is a thing of beauty.

    @Climacus, not exclusively Southern thing, but definitely associated with the South, especially “sweet tea” (which many in the South consider redundant). I will simply say that I find bottled iced tea undrinkable, and unsweetened tea pointless.


  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    At university, I did drink instant freeze dried tea ...
  • At university, I did drink instant freeze dried tea ...

    That reminds me of a work canteen that always made me think of the drinks machine aboard the Heart of Gold spaceship, in that the liquid it served was almost exactly, but not quite, unlike tea. It was warm and brown, but shared no other common factor.
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