@Piglet - The day thou gavest was My Old Mum's favourite hymn, and I can't sing it these days without Eye Leakage, as it reminds me so much of her.
I'm OK with that one, but Abide with me tends to cause outbreaks of vocal wobblage; I don’t really know why, because I don't particularly like it - it's one of those hymns I can take or leave, but would as soon leave.
Abide With Me is one of the first hymns I learned the alto harmonies to and I used to sing it with my Dear Old Mum (her on soprano) so it always reminds me of her. Ditto The Lord's My Shepherd (Crimond).
Abide with me isn't one of my favourites - it always seems to be sung rather too lugubriously - but here is a lovely solo rendition, which I offer to you all as appropriate in the Sad Circumstances of this weekend:
Was 'Lord for the years' decreed by higher authority in the C of E? We had it too: it's one of my most unfavourite hymns , especially 'spirits oppressed by pleasure'. I see what he was getting at but it comes across as killjoy puritanism.
It was always one of my favourites in my teenage years, A fellow chorister and I would be in fits of the giggles at belting out "sets arseholes ablaze".
Mind you, we also liked this one for a similar reason.
Was 'Lord for the years' decreed by higher authority in the C of E? We had it too: it's one of my most unfavourite hymns , especially 'spirits oppressed by pleasure'. I see what he was getting at but it comes across as killjoy puritanism.
It was always one of my favourites in my teenage years, A fellow chorister and I would be in fits of the giggles at belting out "sets arseholes ablaze".
Mind you, we also liked this one for a similar reason.
I always struggled with the verse in "O worship the King" that contained "how firm to the end" for some reason.
Well, yes - Eye Leakage duly occurred, as predicted.
The musicians amongst you may have some critical comments to make, but I thought the music and singing were superb, including James McMillan's specially-written anthem.
I don't follow this thread closely enough to know whether this abomination has been mentioned before.
Today, amongst several other excellent hymns, we sang "Jesus You're My Superhero" which includes lines saying that Jesus is "Better than Barbie" and "Better than Action Man."
The chorus (to which we were invited to clap along) is:
You may not approve some of our choices - it was All-Age Harvest Thanksgiving.
"Great is you faithfulness" (usual tune).
"God of science" (Ren Collective)
"For the fruits of his creation" (Ar Hyd Y Nos).
"We eat the plants" (English Country Garden).
"Now we sing a harvest song" (St George's, Windsor).
"Our God makes the harvest grow" (Old McDonald).
A necessarily short sermon but lots of other stuff!
Our priest is away for a month, so we had a visiting Indian priest who was incomprehensible.
Instead of a homily we had a muttered and fumbling appeal from our SVP group.
Usual dreadful RC hymns that nobody sang.
A pretty poor expression of Christianity this morning.
The only positive is that Mrs Alan29 was reading and got to read that splendid passage in Amos berating those who lounge on their sofas drinking wine and invent new musical instruments. She read it with full vim and vigour.
Amos 6:1,4-7
Woe to those who live in luxury
The almighty Lord says this:
Woe to those ensconced so snugly in Zion
and to those who feel so safe on the mountain of Samaria,
those famous men of this first of nations
to whom the House of Israel goes as client.
Lying on ivory beds
and sprawling on their divans,
they dine on lambs from the flock,
and stall-fattened veal;
they bawl to the sound of the harp,
they invent new instruments of music like David,
they drink wine by the bowlful,
and use the finest oil for anointing themselves,
but about the ruin of Joseph they do not care at all.
That is why they will be the first to be exiled;
the sprawlers’ revelry is over."
It felt particularly apposite in view of the budget this week.
We had:
All my hope on God is founded
Safe in the shadow of the Lord
Be thou my vision (SLANE)
For the healing of the nations (RHUDDLAN)
Fight the good fight (DUKE STREET)
A bit of a mixed bag at St. P's this morning: All people that on earth do dwell* - Old Hundredth Songs of praise the angels sang - Innocents Colours of day dawn into the mind** - Light up the Fire For the beauty of the earth - Dix*** Let us rejoice - Sine Nomine
* Particularly appropriate, as it was David's favourite hymn, and tomorrow is the anniversary of his death. I sang lustily and with good courage, and hope that he was joining in from above.
** I hadn't sung that since my Christian Endeavour camping days - the best part of 50 years ago ...
*** Felt a bit odd singing it to the tune that in my head will always be As with gladness men of old.
Parish Eucharist at our place. Setting Wiltshire Service Shephard Motets
The Doctrine of Wisdom Matthias
Ave verum corpus Fauré Hymns
Immortal, invisible St Denio
Praise to God whose word was spoken St Raphael
He who would valiant be Monk's Gate Voluntary Paean Whitlock
In other news, we had an "Open Singing Morning" on Saturday and have 6 potential juniors, plus a bass and a tenor.
I don't follow this thread closely enough to know whether this abomination has been mentioned before.
Today, amongst several other excellent hymns, we sang "Jesus You're My Superhero" which includes lines saying that Jesus is "Better than Barbie" and "Better than Action Man."
The chorus (to which we were invited to clap along) is:
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How do some people get to write crap like this? And who sees fit to publish it? Are there no toilets to clean? Leaves to sweep? Something more reflective of their level of songwriting talent?
I don't follow this thread closely enough to know whether this abomination has been mentioned before.
Today, amongst several other excellent hymns, we sang "Jesus You're My Superhero" which includes lines saying that Jesus is "Better than Barbie" and "Better than Action Man."
The chorus (to which we were invited to clap along) is:
I’m truly afraid to click on that link.
We had a baptism today (with 5 more—infant, toddler, teenager and adult) to come in the next month or so, so the hymns tied in to some themes that will run through that time. We had:
Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing—NETTLETON I’ve Got Peace Like a River
I Have Called You by Name* Give to the Winds They Fears—FESTAL SONG I Want to Walk as a Child of the Light—HOUSTON
* A “local” one, written for a baptism in the congregation many years ago, and often sung since at baptisms as well as funerals.
Lord of our life and God of our salvation (Iste Confessor)
From all who dwell below the skies, Hallelujah (Lasst uns erfreuen)
By gracious powers so wonderfully sheltered (Highwood)
Abide with me (Eventide)
We had vigorous complaints from a certain parishioner that we sang a hymn that nobody knew (actually we had sung it many times in the past). She maintained that we should only sing well known hymns. How do you convince someone that at one time all the hymns she knows were at one time new and that the only way to learn new hymns is to have a go at singing them, usually only one at a time. I don't know how she will cope with having to sing King instead of Queen!
We had vigorous complaints from a certain parishioner that we sang a hymn that nobody knew (actually we had sung it many times in the past). She maintained that we should only sing well known hymns. How do you convince someone that at one time all the hymns she knows were at one time new and that the only way to learn new hymns is to have a go at singing them, usually only one at a time.
Well, short of simply telling her she’s wrong, perhaps you could remind her that the psalmist tells us to “sing a new song to the Lord”? Or maybe just tell her that it’s always good to learn new hymns, and ask her what she thinks might be the best way to introduce a new hymn? (I know, that may get you no where.)
Setting: Lassus Missa Douce Memoire, anthem Thou shall leave them in perfect peace ( S Wesley) Hymns: Be thou my vision (Slane) & Love is his word (Creswell). A bit disappointed that RVW Mass in G minor was bumped at the 11th hour but the Lassus was beautifully sung by the Cathedral choir ( mixed adult, half choral scholars.
We had vigorous complaints from a certain parishioner that we sang a hymn that nobody knew (actually we had sung it many times in the past). She maintained that we should only sing well known hymns. How do you convince someone that at one time all the hymns she knows were at one time new and that the only way to learn new hymns is to have a go at singing them, usually only one at a time. I don't know how she will cope with having to sing King instead of Queen!
Don’t you just love these whingers? She was probably once the head soprano ( with wobble to match) at St-Whatsit’s-in-the-Tiers and the local ( self-appointed) authority on what is Right and Proper for Tasmanian Anglicana. Best ignored as with luck she’ll shut up & go elsewhere.
We had vigorous complaints from a certain parishioner that we sang a hymn that nobody knew (actually we had sung it many times in the past). She maintained that we should only sing well known hymns. How do you convince someone that at one time all the hymns she knows were at one time new and that the only way to learn new hymns is to have a go at singing them, usually only one at a time. I don't know how she will cope with having to sing King instead of Queen!
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 I get this as regular as clockwork twice a year: after Maundy Thursday when we kick off with "According to thy gracious word" to Bangor, and after Midnight Mass when we always sing "Behold, the great Creator makes" to This Endris night.
Conversely, the first time I scheduled "Glory in the highest" to Cuddesdon the same whinger thanked me, noting how much they looked forward to it appearing in the music list. 😳
If you can't bear to watch the whole thing, the highlights are at 1.57 (weightlifting Jesus) and 2.06 and 2.48 (Jesus throws a large robot-type monster over his shoulder and flies away).
If you can't bear to watch the whole thing, the highlights are at 1.57 (weightlifting Jesus) and 2.06 and 2.48 (Jesus throws a large robot-type monster over his shoulder and flies away).
We were staying with friends at the weekend and went to their church's morning service.
We sang:
King of Love and Grace, My Guardian
Be Thou My Vision All Through History an action song. I love me a good action song!
By Grace Alone Somehow I Stand
Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus
Action Songs I hate above all things. I hated them as a child, was mortified by them as an adolescent and absolutely despise them as an adult.
Not just in church. Wouldn't be seen dead doing the Hokey Cokey as a young child either. I think I even recall ducking our of Head Shoulders Knees and Toes at Nursery school. It goes way back...
I tend not to like action songs either, but I think of the Hokey Pokey more as a dance than as an action song.
In the same category in my mind as "something other people inexplicably do".
Ah, well then. I do like to dance.
But I think I could count on one hand, and maybe have a few fingers left over, the times I’ve encountered action songs in church. Children’s Sunday school, camping trips or summer camp, sure. But rarely in an actual church service. (And in those rare instances, always as part of a children’s sermon/time with children.)
I tend not to like action songs either, but I think of the Hokey Pokey more as a dance than as an action song.
In the same category in my mind as "something other people inexplicably do".
Ah, well then. I do like to dance.
That may be part of it. I don't dance. I don't get this "just have to move to the beat" thing people talk about. To be honest, rhythm is the least interesting thing about music to me. I value harmony, melody, tone and lyrics far more highly. Rhythm is just a thing to tell the musicians when to do those things as far as I'm concerned.
We had vigorous complaints from a certain parishioner that we sang a hymn that nobody knew (actually we had sung it many times in the past). She maintained that we should only sing well known hymns. How do you convince someone that at one time all the hymns she knows were at one time new and that the only way to learn new hymns is to have a go at singing them, usually only one at a time. I don't know how she will cope with having to sing King instead of Queen!
I used to get regular complaints from one man that none of the hymns were in his range. Finally I explained that the problem was his singing, not the pitch of the hymns (which hardly ever go above d, or below c.)
We had vigorous complaints from a certain parishioner that we sang a hymn that nobody knew (actually we had sung it many times in the past). She maintained that we should only sing well known hymns. How do you convince someone that at one time all the hymns she knows were at one time new and that the only way to learn new hymns is to have a go at singing them, usually only one at a time. I don't know how she will cope with having to sing King instead of Queen!
I used to get regular complaints from one man that none of the hymns were in his range. Finally I explained that the problem was his singing, not the pitch of the hymns (which hardly ever go above d, or below c.)
I think @Gee D of this parish has the same problem.
Very much so. The problem is the pitching of the hymns to suit women's voices, and not those of men - men are required to make rapid transpositions whilst singing.
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Abide With Me is one of the first hymns I learned the alto harmonies to and I used to sing it with my Dear Old Mum (her on soprano) so it always reminds me of her. Ditto The Lord's My Shepherd (Crimond).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJtq6RIOL7A
The singer is Dutch, hence the slight accent...
So you will have problems tomorrow if you watch or listen to the Queen's funeral service:
Hymns:
The day thou gavest
The Lord's my shepherd - Crimond
Love divine, all loves excelling - Blaenwern
Full order of service at https://www.westminster-abbey.org/media/15467/order-of-service-the-state-funeral-of-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-ii.pdf
It was always one of my favourites in my teenage years, A fellow chorister and I would be in fits of the giggles at belting out "sets arseholes ablaze".
Mind you, we also liked this one for a similar reason.
I always struggled with the verse in "O worship the King" that contained "how firm to the end" for some reason.
Well, yes - Eye Leakage duly occurred, as predicted.
The musicians amongst you may have some critical comments to make, but I thought the music and singing were superb, including James McMillan's specially-written anthem.
Today, amongst several other excellent hymns, we sang "Jesus You're My Superhero" which includes lines saying that Jesus is "Better than Barbie" and "Better than Action Man."
The chorus (to which we were invited to clap along) is:
Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FY4C930M2Y
Cracking sermon today, though.
"Great is you faithfulness" (usual tune).
"God of science" (Ren Collective)
"For the fruits of his creation" (Ar Hyd Y Nos).
"We eat the plants" (English Country Garden).
"Now we sing a harvest song" (St George's, Windsor).
"Our God makes the harvest grow" (Old McDonald).
A necessarily short sermon but lots of other stuff!
Instead of a homily we had a muttered and fumbling appeal from our SVP group.
Usual dreadful RC hymns that nobody sang.
A pretty poor expression of Christianity this morning.
The only positive is that Mrs Alan29 was reading and got to read that splendid passage in Amos berating those who lounge on their sofas drinking wine and invent new musical instruments. She read it with full vim and vigour.
Amos 6:1,4-7
Woe to those who live in luxury
The almighty Lord says this:
Woe to those ensconced so snugly in Zion
and to those who feel so safe on the mountain of Samaria,
those famous men of this first of nations
to whom the House of Israel goes as client.
Lying on ivory beds
and sprawling on their divans,
they dine on lambs from the flock,
and stall-fattened veal;
they bawl to the sound of the harp,
they invent new instruments of music like David,
they drink wine by the bowlful,
and use the finest oil for anointing themselves,
but about the ruin of Joseph they do not care at all.
That is why they will be the first to be exiled;
the sprawlers’ revelry is over."
It felt particularly apposite in view of the budget this week.
All my hope on God is founded
Safe in the shadow of the Lord
Be thou my vision (SLANE)
For the healing of the nations (RHUDDLAN)
Fight the good fight (DUKE STREET)
All people that on earth do dwell* - Old Hundredth
Songs of praise the angels sang - Innocents
Colours of day dawn into the mind** - Light up the Fire
For the beauty of the earth - Dix***
Let us rejoice - Sine Nomine
* Particularly appropriate, as it was David's favourite hymn, and tomorrow is the anniversary of his death. I sang lustily and with good courage, and hope that he was joining in from above.
** I hadn't sung that since my Christian Endeavour camping days - the best part of 50 years ago ...
*** Felt a bit odd singing it to the tune that in my head will always be As with gladness men of old.
It's very Rutter-ish IMO.
Setting Wiltshire Service Shephard
Motets
The Doctrine of Wisdom Matthias
Ave verum corpus Fauré
Hymns
Immortal, invisible St Denio
Praise to God whose word was spoken St Raphael
He who would valiant be Monk's Gate
Voluntary Paean Whitlock
In other news, we had an "Open Singing Morning" on Saturday and have 6 potential juniors, plus a bass and a tenor.
How do some people get to write crap like this? And who sees fit to publish it? Are there no toilets to clean? Leaves to sweep? Something more reflective of their level of songwriting talent?
I’m truly afraid to click on that link.
We had a baptism today (with 5 more—infant, toddler, teenager and adult) to come in the next month or so, so the hymns tied in to some themes that will run through that time. We had:
Come, Thou Fount of Every Blessing—NETTLETON
I’ve Got Peace Like a River
I Have Called You by Name*
Give to the Winds They Fears—FESTAL SONG
I Want to Walk as a Child of the Light—HOUSTON
* A “local” one, written for a baptism in the congregation many years ago, and often sung since at baptisms as well as funerals.
From all who dwell below the skies, Hallelujah (Lasst uns erfreuen)
By gracious powers so wonderfully sheltered (Highwood)
Abide with me (Eventide)
Setting: Lassus Missa Douce Memoire, anthem Thou shall leave them in perfect peace ( S Wesley) Hymns: Be thou my vision (Slane) & Love is his word (Creswell). A bit disappointed that RVW Mass in G minor was bumped at the 11th hour but the Lassus was beautifully sung by the Cathedral choir ( mixed adult, half choral scholars.
Don’t you just love these whingers? She was probably once the head soprano ( with wobble to match) at St-Whatsit’s-in-the-Tiers and the local ( self-appointed) authority on what is Right and Proper for Tasmanian Anglicana. Best ignored as with luck she’ll shut up & go elsewhere.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 I get this as regular as clockwork twice a year: after Maundy Thursday when we kick off with "According to thy gracious word" to Bangor, and after Midnight Mass when we always sing "Behold, the great Creator makes" to This Endris night.
Conversely, the first time I scheduled "Glory in the highest" to Cuddesdon the same whinger thanked me, noting how much they looked forward to it appearing in the music list. 😳
I’m truly afraid to click on that link.
If you can't bear to watch the whole thing, the highlights are at 1.57 (weightlifting Jesus) and 2.06 and 2.48 (Jesus throws a large robot-type monster over his shoulder and flies away).
Did you bounce up and down and clap to the "yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah" bits? If not, you missed out on the full experience.
I asked him to give me a list of *the hymns everyone knows*, but for some reason, he failed to deliver.
We sang:
King of Love and Grace, My Guardian
Be Thou My Vision
All Through History an action song. I love me a good action song!
By Grace Alone Somehow I Stand
Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus
Not just in church. Wouldn't be seen dead doing the Hokey Cokey as a young child either. I think I even recall ducking our of Head Shoulders Knees and Toes at Nursery school. It goes way back...
Did you mean S S Wesley? The second "S" is needed to distinguish him from his father.
In the same category in my mind as "something other people inexplicably do".
Whenever someone at the front of church announces one I feel like pointing our that the year on my birth certificate is more than three years ago.
In all fairness, I don't think such Abominations Before The Lord are ever used at Our Place - never in my presence, anyway.
But I think I could count on one hand, and maybe have a few fingers left over, the times I’ve encountered action songs in church. Children’s Sunday school, camping trips or summer camp, sure. But rarely in an actual church service. (And in those rare instances, always as part of a children’s sermon/time with children.)
That may be part of it. I don't dance. I don't get this "just have to move to the beat" thing people talk about. To be honest, rhythm is the least interesting thing about music to me. I value harmony, melody, tone and lyrics far more highly. Rhythm is just a thing to tell the musicians when to do those things as far as I'm concerned.
I used to get regular complaints from one man that none of the hymns were in his range. Finally I explained that the problem was his singing, not the pitch of the hymns (which hardly ever go above d, or below c.)
I think you'll find the anthem is "Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace".
Could not recall and don’t really care, thanks
I think @Gee D of this parish has the same problem.