Terrible driving -- recklessness, annoyance, and pet peeves

The_RivThe_Riv Shipmate
It just seems worse out there on the roads since the Pandemic. People seem more hurried, careless, entitled, aggressive, and confounding on the streets and highways where I live, and I'd wager that it seems like that to others in other places as well. It's become a bit challenging, as well as a bit dangerous, just to drive the speed limit. I joke now that to instantly reveal the latent anger in any community, motor on its roads and drive at or slightly below the speed limit. It's actually an interesting experiment, but you'll likely find yourself among a painfully small number of travelers. Rolling through stop signs without coming to a complete stop is anything but a rarity now, it seems, along with its cousin behavior, rolling through a right-hand turn at a red light. There also seem to be a lot more drivers pushing their luck too far through the interval of a yellow light (before it turns red), and blasting through an intersection in violation of a red light -- cross traffic beware. Overwhelmingly, and despite new-ish laws to the contrary, people are on their smartphones while driving (swerving as they go) as well as sitting for too long at intersections. Often now a light will turn green, and a column of cars will have to wait until the distracted driver at the top of the queue snaps out of their online reverie, or is unceremoniously honked at from behind. Manufacturers are still making vehicles turn signals, though any more I'm not entirely sure why.

How's the driving where you are?

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  • All of the above.

    A former roommate used to say that drivers are in such a hurry to get to the next red light.

    I find it especially annoying when drivers will use their turn signals in situations where they are unnecessary -- such as pulling out of a driveway onto a one-way street -- but hardly ever when exiting a freeway.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    As it ever was - (some) tourists drive too slowly and are scared of cattle grids; some local drivers go too fast on blind bends; there's a handful of elderly drivers who perhaps shouldn't be driving that you learn to recognise and get out of their way. I think there may be fewer people driving drunk and thence into ditches but that may just be because there wasn't a bar open over winter.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    A former roommate used to say that drivers are in such a hurry to get to the next red light.

    I saw a car recently with a bumper sticker that said “Go ahead and pass me. I’ll see you at the lights”
  • The_Riv wrote: »
    How's the driving where you are?

    Much the same as it's always been. Driving is ultimately a cooperative affair: we are all driving on the same roads, and if we are sensible and considerate about it then we all get where we want to go efficiently. Unfortunately, ...

    We are just as rich in idiots that weave in and out of traffic trying to get a few car lengths ahead at the next traffic light as we always have been. We are still rich in the sort of self-righteous idiot that likes to hog the middle or outside lane on the highway, and say "well, I'm doing the speed limit, so nobody should be driving faster than me". I don't care what speed you're doing. If there's an empty lane to your inside, you should be in it.

    We are rich in idiots who blindy merge on to roads and assume that other road users will magically get out of their way. We are rich in idiots who think that black clothing and no lights was a good choice for going jogging or cycling at night.

    We are rich in idiots who think that having a 4x4 means that their tires have traction on ice.

    Frankly, with the various different kinds of stupidity on display, it's a wonder that there aren't even more accidents than there are.

    @Amanda B Reckondwyth re indicators, we also get a significant number of drivers who merrily drive around indicating off in to space. Are you intending to turn left at the next opportunity? Are you looking for your turn and are lost? Did you accidentally hit the indicator whilst looking for your cellphone, and are confused about what the clicking noise in your car means? Did you indicate to turn on to the road, and never cancel it? Did you think that was the windscreen wipers?
  • I read somewhere that the people who install direction indicators in the BMW factory end up needing therapy on account of having an utterly worthless occupation (possibly apocryphal....)

    One of the worst habits around here is not making a direction indication until you are half way through your turn. I am unable to comprehend the mental process that leads to that. Also, swerving out into the other lane to pass the car in front that is making a turn.
  • I'm a slow driver. I get honked at from time to time, but I'm going so slowly (observing all those 20s, 30s, 40s, looking ahead and rolling gently up to red lights and stationary traffic, going quietly along in the slow lane on the motorway at 55-60) that most fast drivers go quickly past me with no interaction at all. I try to stay out of the way. I get 75+ miles to the UK gallon, long-term average, and my brake pads/shoes last for ages.
  • The conversion of the M25 to 4 lanes now means that those drivers who used to hog the middle lane now sit in the 3rd lane instead, meaning at times when there are fewer lorries on the road the fastest moving lane is often the inside one.
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate
    I should mention that I am not a driver and you should all be grateful because I would be a rotten driver: consider it my contribution to road safety.
    Anyway, my peeve is with ignorant selfish drivers who do not understand the basis for reduced speed limits on motorways. What part of “different braking distances between vehicles at different speeds” do people not understand? There’s a section of the M4 near me that has a permanent 50mph limit and the numpties don’t, won’t or can’t accept that a lower speed limit enables more vehicles to use a given length of road safely (at 50mph the distance to a stop is 174ft and at the usual 70mph the stopping distance is 315ft). There’s nothing that congests a road quite like a shunt.

    Same folks don’t understand that “relief roads” don’t relieve anything for more than a few years.
  • One of my pet peeves is those who think the purpose of the white line in the middle of country roads is to have it between their wheels.

    Add to that those who seem determined to preserve the factory-fitted lamps in their indicators by using them as little as possible: they drive up to the side road they intend to enter before making an emergency stop prior to turning 😡
  • Merry VoleMerry Vole Shipmate
    I'm a slow driver. I get honked at from time to time, but I'm going so slowly (observing all those 20s, 30s, 40s, looking ahead and rolling gently up to red lights and stationary traffic, going quietly along in the slow lane on the motorway at 55-60) that most fast drivers go quickly past me with no interaction at all. I try to stay out of the way. I get 75+ miles to the UK gallon, long-term average, and my brake pads/shoes last for ages.

    I have a similar driving habit -but don't get anything like 75mpg. What car do you drive?
  • sionisaissionisais Shipmate

    It’s not just the indicators. I’m sure millions of drivers try all they can to Save the Planet, by not switching on their headlights and rear lights until it is pitch black. Everyone can make a mistake, but once one uses other vehicles lights to see them isn’t it time to turn your own lights on?
    I shall not mention the brands that possess this feature, but they seem to be dark monochrome and therefore lacking visibility in twilight conditions.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    This got a lot worse when dashboard lights started coming on even when the exterior lights are off.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    The_Riv wrote: »
    Rolling through stop signs without coming to a complete stop is anything but a rarity now, it seems, along with its cousin behavior, rolling through a right-hand turn at a red light.
    This has been common where I live the entire time I've been driving. It even has a name: the California rolling stop.
    Overwhelmingly, and despite new-ish laws to the contrary, people are on their smartphones while driving (swerving as they go) as well as sitting for too long at intersections. Often now a light will turn green, and a column of cars will have to wait until the distracted driver at the top of the queue snaps out of their online reverie, or is unceremoniously honked at from behind.

    This. So much this. I've pulled up alongside cop cars at red lights and seen cops staring at their phones -- I've shamed more than one into putting them down.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    What I hate is people camping out in the passing lane. I know they think it is usually the least traveled lane with less surface wear. There is a reason for that.
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited August 8
    I don't understand this ... they're camping in the road?
  • I find that the rightmost lane (in the USA) is always the best, because no one ever keeps to the right. Most traffic is in the center lane or leftmost lane. The only thing that slows you down in the rightmost lane is people who want to make a right turn, unless a right turn lane is also provided.
  • Merry Vole wrote: »
    I'm a slow driver. I get honked at from time to time, but I'm going so slowly (observing all those 20s, 30s, 40s, looking ahead and rolling gently up to red lights and stationary traffic, going quietly along in the slow lane on the motorway at 55-60) that most fast drivers go quickly past me with no interaction at all. I try to stay out of the way. I get 75+ miles to the UK gallon, long-term average, and my brake pads/shoes last for ages.

    I have a similar driving habit -but don't get anything like 75mpg. What car do you drive?

    2005 Skoda Fabia 1.4 TDi. I think the 1.9 is nearly as good on fuel; the thing is to go slow and try, wherever safely possible, to preserve momentum. On a good day (no hold-ups, following wind, summer, dry) for a 200 mile motorway trip I might get 90+ mpg.
  • Here, you drive in the left lane before making a right exit regardless of the number of lanes. When you merge into traffic from a slip road on the right you must immediately move into the left lane. Slip roads double as overtaking lanes. Rules of the road do not apply to buses.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    Here, you drive in the left lane before making a right exit regardless of the number of lanes.
    You are under no obligation to say where "here" is, but your post isn't informative if you don't.

  • Let's assume it's a left-lane-driving country.

    Interesting. In the USA, if you're going to make a left turn, you pull as far to the left as legally possible. On a one-way street, that would be the leftmost lane. On a two-way street, it would be the lane closest to the center line.

    In some jurisdictions, bicycles seem to be the exception. I was driving once in Los Angeles, in the leftmost lane of a one-way street, as I was about to make a left turn. A bicyclist riding in the rightmost lane suddenly cut across all the lanes in order to make the same left turn. I almost smacked into him.
  • Dafyd wrote: »
    Here, you drive in the left lane before making a right exit regardless of the number of lanes.
    You are under no obligation to say where "here" is, but your post isn't informative if you don't.

    Quite right. Ontario, Canada.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    I don't understand this ... they're camping in the road?

    Camping means they are traveling in the passing lane, usually at slower speeds than normal traffic. In the USA it is the law for slower cars to move to the right lane so faster cars can easily pass on the left.

    Try camping out on the autobahn in Germany. See what would happen.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Let's assume it's a left-lane-driving country.

    Interesting. In the USA, if you're going to make a left turn, you pull as far to the left as legally possible. On a one-way street, that would be the leftmost lane. On a two-way street, it would be the lane closest to the center line.

    In some jurisdictions, bicycles seem to be the exception. I was driving once in Los Angeles, in the leftmost lane of a one-way street, as I was about to make a left turn. A bicyclist riding in the rightmost lane suddenly cut across all the lanes in order to make the same left turn. I almost smacked into him.

    On the open highway, it is quite possible to move into the oncoming lane to complete your left turn provided there are no oncoming cars. I did this once in front of a state trooper. He had no problem with it.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    edited August 9
    Spike wrote: »
    A former roommate used to say that drivers are in such a hurry to get to the next red light.

    I saw a car recently with a bumper sticker that said “Go ahead and pass me. I’ll see you at the lights”

    A colleague used to define a moron as the fastest person between two sets of red lights.
    In the UK its an offence to "hog" the middle lane on a motorway. But you still get plenty of people who set their cruise controls to 70mph (the speed limit) and sit in the middle lane, not overtaking vehicles in the inside lane. For mile after bloody mile!
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    Over dinner with work colleagues the other night we had a conversation that started with use of AI in academia and moved to self-driving cars. Which included comments from a colleague who had visited a city with such abominations noting that the algorithms in these vehicles appear to be learning from other drivers, resulting in these cars driving very aggressively and recklessly - pulling out of slow moving traffic into clearer outer lanes and then cutting back in just before the exit, and other approaches to getting to the next set of lights at the same time as the cars just passed. So unlike all the sci-fi depictions of self driving cars travelling smoothly along without the recklessness of human drivers.
  • Alan29 wrote: »
    Spike wrote: »
    A former roommate used to say that drivers are in such a hurry to get to the next red light.

    I saw a car recently with a bumper sticker that said “Go ahead and pass me. I’ll see you at the lights”

    A colleague used to define a moron as the fastest person between two sets of red lights.
    In the UK its an offence to "hog" the middle lane on a motorway. But you still get plenty of people who set their cruise controls to 70mph (the speed limit) and sit in the middle lane, not overtaking vehicles in the inside lane. For mile after bloody mile!
    What annoys me is when one heavy lorry pulls out to pass another as it is travelling at 0.0005mph faster than the other one. This is especially frustrating when there are only two, rather than three, lanes. Result: traffic piles up behind both of them. I always wonder why the lorry being overtaken doesn't slow down slightly, but perhaps that would be a sign of weakness.

  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Alan29 wrote: »
    Spike wrote: »
    A former roommate used to say that drivers are in such a hurry to get to the next red light.

    I saw a car recently with a bumper sticker that said “Go ahead and pass me. I’ll see you at the lights”

    A colleague used to define a moron as the fastest person between two sets of red lights.
    In the UK its an offence to "hog" the middle lane on a motorway. But you still get plenty of people who set their cruise controls to 70mph (the speed limit) and sit in the middle lane, not overtaking vehicles in the inside lane. For mile after bloody mile!
    What annoys me is when one heavy lorry pulls out to pass another as it is travelling at 0.0005mph faster than the other one. This is especially frustrating when there are only two, rather than three, lanes. Result: traffic piles up behind both of them. I always wonder why the lorry being overtaken doesn't slow down slightly, but perhaps that would be a sign of weakness.

    There are stretches of motorway with slight inclines that seem to act as a signal for some lorries to move to the middle lane as a matter of principle.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    It's money. Haulage incomes are highest when lorries are going as fast as they can within the constraints of the law, terrain and physical characteristics of their engines and transmissions.
  • Gramps49 wrote: »
    I don't understand this ... they're camping in the road?

    Try camping out on the autobahn in Germany. See what would happen.

    I drove across Germany in the car of someone (with whom I was driving in 'shifts') who wanted me to maintain 70mph. From preference I would have pulled into the stream of lorries doing 100kph (60 mph) in the RH lane, but his instruction meant some rather disciplined use of mirrors and indicators on a two-lane autobahn. To be fair, everyone was being pretty disciplined - it's Germany. Nonetheless we saw a pile-up, and were lucky not to be in it. The whole thing felt one thrown-lorry-tyre-tread away from disaster.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    Autobahns are scary. Cars seem to appear in the rear view mirrors out of nowhere.
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Even scarier, we were driving back from East Germany shortly after re-unification, along a fairly narrow road recently laid across the former no-man's-land. A stream of Trabbies was coming back from the West. One of them was barrelling right down the middle at whatever top speed it commanded. With a swerve, we got away with a dinged wing mirror.
  • Ah, yes, wrong way drivers. There is an epidemic of that in the Phoenix area. It happens when someone enters the freeway via an exit ramp and for some reason doesn't realize that other traffic is coming AT him.

    The problem as I see it is in the way the exit ramps are engineered. It should be IMPOSSIBLE to enter a freeway via an exit ramp.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    Firenze wrote: »
    Even scarier, we were driving back from East Germany shortly after re-unification, along a fairly narrow road recently laid across the former no-man's-land. A stream of Trabbies was coming back from the West. One of them was barrelling right down the middle at whatever top speed it commanded. With a swerve, we got away with a dinged wing mirror.

    Yes, I have been on what would be a single lane anywhere else in the world, but not Germany.
  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    The problem as I see it is in the way the exit ramps are engineered. It should be IMPOSSIBLE to enter a freeway via an exit ramp.
    On the highways I’m used to driving, it generally is.

  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    Gramps49 wrote: »
    Firenze wrote: »
    Even scarier, we were driving back from East Germany shortly after re-unification, along a fairly narrow road recently laid across the former no-man's-land. A stream of Trabbies was coming back from the West. One of them was barrelling right down the middle at whatever top speed it commanded. With a swerve, we got away with a dinged wing mirror.

    Yes, I have been on what would be a single lane anywhere else in the world, but not Germany.

    The rest of the cars were managing to treat it as a two lane road. I just think this guy was stoshious, as they say in Ireland.

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