There was a personality quiz circulating on the internet a few years back based on the five factor OCEAN models, which differs from many other models in that it is subject to a modicum of scientific replication. Anyway, one of the things it purported to tell you was your likely political outlook in a broad sense. So the O factor measures open-mindedness (curiosity, imagination, willingness to revise beliefs), and the A factor measures agreeableness (altruism, trustingness, cooperativeness, modesty). High A high O are generally progressives, High A low O are traditionalists, low A high O tend to be libertarians, and low A low O authoritarians.
So, aside from giving progressives the chance to pat ourselves on the back, it seems that traditional right wing parties in the modern world are a potentially unstable coalition between the three non-progressive personality types: in particular the libertarian and traditionalist wings are more or less entirely at odds. Right wing ideology largely consists of papering over that crack.
I wonder what could be made of equivalent left wing models...
I've also had the impression that theocrats and libertarians (as I call them) tend to make uneasy partners at best. To be fair, libertarians are often political mercs who'll turn to whoever pleases them.
"Not very agreeable but open minded" does amuse me, as in "I don't care about it that much but I'll fight you over it!" Self interest isn't much of a principle.
My impression in the USA is that the theocrats resent the authority of secular government and there they find common cause with the libertarians. This may also work for authoritarians who also hate the government of the USA for its lack of authoritarianism. And I think some authoritarians are very good at manipulating people, and libertarians and theocrats are laughably easy to manipulate if you're unethical.
Sadly, as long as these three have something to hate in common, the coalition will hang together.
Also, authoritarian versus liberty can depend on how you relate to the topic. If I'm running a business, higher taxes that subsidize social welfare are an authoritarian infringement on my liberty. On the other hand, if I'm an employee and recipient of welfare, they're an increase in liberty against the authoritarian power of the business owner over my life.
My impression in the USA is that the theocrats resent the authority of secular government and there they find common cause with the libertarians. This may also work for authoritarians who also hate the government of the USA for its lack of authoritarianism.
The former may be true because they envision themselves apart from or above secular society, and recognize a supernatural authority beyond or above that of the temporal world. The latter is only true if the flavor of authoritarianism on offer isn't the particular one they subscribe to.
My impression in the USA is that the theocrats resent the authority of secular government and there they find common cause with the libertarians. This may also work for authoritarians who also hate the government of the USA for its lack of authoritarianism.
The former may be true because they envision themselves apart from or above secular society, and recognize a supernatural authority beyond or above that of the temporal world. The latter is only true if the flavor of authoritarianism on offer isn't the particular one they subscribe to.
That seems about right. And libertarians will dance with anyone who doesn't get in their way and says they're against "the government." It is kind of bizarre how it all holds together.
Some conservatives have found him rather disappointing, if not disgusting. I think he's even making some of them become more liberal, just by bringing out so much of the absolute worst of his own ideological faction.
The mask has come off, in other words.
From some people, sure. From all people who hold specific conservative views, not at all. I don’t think that all people who hold conservative views of various kinds are really holding something evil/fascist. I may not agree with many of those views, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no reason to hold those views other than some sort of terrible inward malevolence.
If by theocrats you mean Christian Nationalists, the CNs have a very strong presence in the US government. Just the other day one of the most prominent CN leaders, Doug Wilson, let a prayer service at the Pentagon. Trump heavily relies on CNs for his support. Speaker Mike Johnson has a CN background as well.
I am actually seeing Libertarians pulling away from the CN crowd here. Rand Paul is voting more with the Democrats than the Republicans now.
If by theocrats you mean Christian Nationalists, the CNs have a very strong presence in the US government. Just the other day one of the most prominent CN leaders, Doug Wilson, let a prayer service at the Pentagon. Trump heavily relies on CNs for his support. Speaker Mike Johnson has a CN background as well.
I am actually seeing Libertarians pulling away from the CN crowd here. Rand Paul is voting more with the Democrats than the Republicans now.
Yes, and that'll happen for sure. Rand Paul has been rather a wild card, IMO. The libertarians are always unreliable. They go back and forth with the breeze.
My impression in the USA is that the theocrats resent the authority of secular government and there they find common cause with the libertarians. This may also work for authoritarians who also hate the government of the USA for its lack of authoritarianism.
The former may be true because they envision themselves apart from or above secular society, and recognize a supernatural authority beyond or above that of the temporal world. The latter is only true if the flavor of authoritarianism on offer isn't the particular one they subscribe to.
That seems about right. And libertarians will dance with anyone who doesn't get in their way and says they're against "the government." It is kind of bizarre how it all holds together.
Ultimately, the "authority" in the USA is always the People. Our civil life is a system of shared compromises. All of us are threads in the American fabric. Trouble is, right now CNs and MAGA want to be the collective weaver and shred huge aspects of the entire thing.
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So, aside from giving progressives the chance to pat ourselves on the back, it seems that traditional right wing parties in the modern world are a potentially unstable coalition between the three non-progressive personality types: in particular the libertarian and traditionalist wings are more or less entirely at odds. Right wing ideology largely consists of papering over that crack.
I've also had the impression that theocrats and libertarians (as I call them) tend to make uneasy partners at best. To be fair, libertarians are often political mercs who'll turn to whoever pleases them.
"Not very agreeable but open minded" does amuse me, as in "I don't care about it that much but I'll fight you over it!" Self interest isn't much of a principle.
My impression in the USA is that the theocrats resent the authority of secular government and there they find common cause with the libertarians. This may also work for authoritarians who also hate the government of the USA for its lack of authoritarianism. And I think some authoritarians are very good at manipulating people, and libertarians and theocrats are laughably easy to manipulate if you're unethical.
Sadly, as long as these three have something to hate in common, the coalition will hang together.
Also, authoritarian versus liberty can depend on how you relate to the topic. If I'm running a business, higher taxes that subsidize social welfare are an authoritarian infringement on my liberty. On the other hand, if I'm an employee and recipient of welfare, they're an increase in liberty against the authoritarian power of the business owner over my life.
The former may be true because they envision themselves apart from or above secular society, and recognize a supernatural authority beyond or above that of the temporal world. The latter is only true if the flavor of authoritarianism on offer isn't the particular one they subscribe to.
That seems about right. And libertarians will dance with anyone who doesn't get in their way and says they're against "the government." It is kind of bizarre how it all holds together.
From some people, sure. From all people who hold specific conservative views, not at all. I don’t think that all people who hold conservative views of various kinds are really holding something evil/fascist. I may not agree with many of those views, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no reason to hold those views other than some sort of terrible inward malevolence.
I am actually seeing Libertarians pulling away from the CN crowd here. Rand Paul is voting more with the Democrats than the Republicans now.
Yes, and that'll happen for sure. Rand Paul has been rather a wild card, IMO. The libertarians are always unreliable. They go back and forth with the breeze.
Ultimately, the "authority" in the USA is always the People. Our civil life is a system of shared compromises. All of us are threads in the American fabric. Trouble is, right now CNs and MAGA want to be the collective weaver and shred huge aspects of the entire thing.
Erm, NO.