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  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited October 18
    Barnabas62 wrote: »
    There has been a successful appeal to baser instinBut they are also victims of fraud, perpetrated by the most successful fraudster of our time.

    A topic that has interested me for a while now is how much moral culpability we can place upon the gullible. Something I've heard at least one disappointed Trump voter say...

    Well, his policies just seem to be making everything worse for me, but I still gotta trust him, 'cuz he's a businessman so he must know what he's doing.

    Is it wrong to laugh at this guy for continually getting duped by Trump? After all, he probably does sincerely believe that Trump is a brilliant businessman who will soon be leading everyone to the land of milk and honey.
  • There may well be milk and honey, but only the rich will be able to afford them...
  • There may well be milk and honey, but only the rich will be able to afford them...

    What is honey without toast?

  • A healthy alternative to sugar, perhaps?

    As to toast, let them eat cake...
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    The brilliant businessman myth flies in the face of his many business failures. For which there is substantial evidence. A continuing believer must also accept the “fake news” assertion. The real question to the continuing deluded is “why don’t you check things out”.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    I think it's more a straw to grasp at. People don't like to admit, even to themselves, that they've been wrong. Or, even worse, that their hated adversaries have been right all along. So they need to find reasons not to abandon Trump and one of these is the "businessman" line.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    That said, not being very bright is not a moral failure any more than being of short stature. Even more so perhaps if your education system has failed in not giving you the tools to critically appraise information.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    @Doublethink

    Spot on. My only cavil is that the state of wilful ignorance may well be a moral failure.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    But I don't think you have to be very bright to see that Trump is a wrong 'un...
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host
    I have some relatives who are drinking all the Trump Kool-Aid. It's so hard to come to the understanding that they aren't very bright, or else they are choosing to be ignorant.

    My favorite cousin has been trying to help our younger cousin understand how many things she is so totally wrong about. Younger cousin is absolutely adamant about how wrong we are and we just aren't looking at what she calls 'facts'.

    It's so frustrating.
  • It's not just the uneducated or uninformed for whom trump is a role model. A friend's son is well educated and extremely bright; bright enough to have founded a software company that he sold for over a billion US$. He is a serious trump supporter, to the despair of his father.
  • The RogueThe Rogue Shipmate
    Barnabas62 wrote: »
    We’ll see. I certainly hope the GOP gets a thumping in the midterms. Trump has two years to go. It would be much better if Congress is able to exercise more control over his impulsive, erratic, actions.

    They are currently able to exercise more control but choose not to. Shame on them.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    It's not just the uneducated or uninformed for whom trump is a role model. A friend's son is well educated and extremely bright; bright enough to have founded a software company that he sold for over a billion US$. He is a serious trump supporter, to the despair of his father.

    Absolutely - I don't think it is about intellect. Rather it is about buying into a political identity. Whether you are smart or not, you may choose to see Trump as a bully or as "strong". You may choose to see his policies as "horrific" or "necessary". Shifting your ground means shifting your identity and changing your relationship with your former fellow-travellers. The push to change has to be quite strong and it is (I think) for most people less likely to come from reason and more likely to come from emotional reactions, personal circumstances and the beliefs of others one trusts. Once you have chosen your side, arguments in your own support will occur to you.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    It's not just the uneducated or uninformed for whom trump is a role model. A friend's son is well educated and extremely bright; bright enough to have founded a software company that he sold for over a billion US$. He is a serious trump supporter, to the despair of his father.

    If the man sold a software company for over 1bil, something tells me he is in a class that has benefitted the most from Trump.
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