Sunday 23A
Lord of all hopefulness. (Slane.}
O God you search me and you know me. (Bernadette Farrell's lovely hymn.)
Hail Redeemer, King Divine (Composed for the opening of Liverpool Met Cathedral, and a belter!)
The final organ only service of the summer as guitars etc return next week.
Being the 5th Sunday of the month, our 9 o'clock communion was a 1662 BCP service.
Two of our hymns had obviously been chosen to fit the sermon theme ("You are the light of the world") but I'm not sure that they were the best selection to complement Cranmer's communion text.
Shine Jesus Shine
I am the Bread of Life
This Little Light of Mine
Finishing off our Summer Series in Proverbs with the acrostic poem about the Wife of Noble Character in Chapter 31
Praise My Soul The King Of Heaven (Lauda Anima)
In Heavenly Love Abiding (Penlan)
May The Mind Of Christ My Saviour (St. Leonards)
God Of Grace And God Of Glory (Rhuddlan)
It's another of those *ahem* infelicitous ditties, like Bind us together...
It’s an African American spiritual that came out of the Gullah/Geechee culture of enslaved West Africans in the South Carolina and Georgia Low Country.
There is some scholarly support for the idea that the text is rooted in Anglican practice, while others think the song may be a code song, related to escape from enslavement.
Sorry, but I find referring to it as a “ditty” really problematic and culturally disrespectful. (Though not nearly as problematic as “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot” at rugby games.)
From Oxford Dictionaries:
ditty
/ˈdɪti/
noun
1.
a short, simple song:
"a lovely little music-hall ditty"
Not, AFAICS, pejorative. In our hymnbook, it is indeed a short and simple song, with words and music attributed to one Bob Gilman
Thank you for your scholarly explanation of the song's origins. I posted in ignorance, not intending disrespect.
Although I know that "Gopsal" is the "correct" tune for R,TLIK, I also think that the words fit well to "Darwall's 148th". Incidentally I like the twiddly notes that organists sometimes put before the final couplet of "Gopsal" - possibly only in the last verse though.
I can't comment as to twiddly notes in Gopsal, but it do be a cheerful tune, and lots of potential Fun for organists!
Agreed as to Darwall's 148th - another cheerful tune (the 18thC brought forth a good few of those...)
Quam Dilecta (played at dirge-like pace by our faithful but antediluvian organist, Miss S) was often sung at the Tin Tabernacle Of My Youth, where I soon learned to loathe it, along with the 19thC evening hymns about death:
Holy Spirit, be thou nigh,
When in mortal pains we lie;
Grant us, as we come to die,
Light at evening time.
As you might expect, I'm heartily in favour of anything providing Fun for our beleaguered and under-appreciated organists, and on humming through Gopsal to myself, I know exactly the Tiddly Bit of which you speak:
Lift up your heart, lift up your voice(tum-te-tum) Rejoice, again I say, rejoice.
Our offerings at St Pete's today:
Ye holy angels bright Darwall's 148th Restore, I Lord, the honour of your name - Kendrick O thou who camest from above - Hereford I'm accepted, I'm forgiven Crown him with many crowns - Diademata
It's another of those *ahem* infelicitous ditties, like Bind us together...
It’s an African American spiritual that came out of the Gullah/Geechee culture of enslaved West Africans in the South Carolina and Georgia Low Country.
There is some scholarly support for the idea that the text is rooted in Anglican practice, while others think the song may be a code song, related to escape from enslavement.
Sorry, but I find referring to it as a “ditty” really problematic and culturally disrespectful. (Though not nearly as problematic as “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot” at rugby games.)
From Oxford Dictionaries:
ditty
/ˈdɪti/
noun
1.
a short, simple song:
"a lovely little music-hall ditty"
Not, AFAICS, pejorative. In our hymnbook, it is indeed a short and simple song, with words and music attributed to one Bob Gilman
Thank you for your scholarly explanation of the song's origins. I posted in ignorance, not intending disrespect.
Thanks for that, @Bishops Finger. FWIW, in my corner of the Anglosphere, ditty, if not necessarily pejorative, does suggest a certain triviality or lack of depth, or perhaps childishness. When used of a song sung in church, it would, in my experience, be heard as suggesting the song was inappropriate for church.
Ah, the English language.
(BTW, Bob Gillman wrote the other hymn/song you mentioned, “Bind Us Together, Lord,” to which you likened “Let Us Break Bread Together.”)
@Nick Tamen - I now wonder if perhaps the Bind us together by Bob Gilman is not at all the same song as the Spiritual you mentioned.
I was talking about “Let Us Break Bread Together,” which you reported being sung at Your Place this past Sunday, and about which you said “It’s another of those *ahem* infelicitous ditties, like Bind us together...”
@Nick Tamen - I now wonder if perhaps the Bind us together by Bob Gilman is not at all the same song as the Spiritual you mentioned.
I was talking about “Let Us Break Bread Together,” which you reported being sung at Your Place this past Sunday, and about which you said “It’s another of those *ahem* infelicitous ditties, like Bind us together...”
Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Ah. Yes, I see now. I think I must have been having a Senior Moment...
It's another of those *ahem* infelicitous ditties, like Bind us together...
It’s an African American spiritual that came out of the Gullah/Geechee culture of enslaved West Africans in the South Carolina and Georgia Low Country.
There is some scholarly support for the idea that the text is rooted in Anglican practice, while others think the song may be a code song, related to escape from enslavement.
Sorry, but I find referring to it as a “ditty” really problematic and culturally disrespectful. (Though not nearly as problematic as “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot” at rugby games.)
From Oxford Dictionaries:
ditty
/ˈdɪti/
noun
1.
a short, simple song:
"a lovely little music-hall ditty"
Not, AFAICS, pejorative. In our hymnbook, it is indeed a short and simple song, with words and music attributed to one Bob Gilman
Thank you for your scholarly explanation of the song's origins. I posted in ignorance, not intending disrespect.
Thanks for that, @Bishops Finger. FWIW, in my corner of the Anglosphere, ditty, if not necessarily pejorative, does suggest a certain triviality or lack of depth, or perhaps childishness. When used of a song sung in church, it would, in my experience, be heard as suggesting the song was inappropriate for church.
Ah, the English language.
(BTW, Bob Gillman wrote the other hymn/song you mentioned, “Bind Us Together, Lord,” to which you likened “Let Us Break Bread Together.”)
Our hymnbook has “with the Lord” instead of “on our knees”. I much prefer that.
I’d find it just wrong, I’m afraid. And what do you do when you get to the third verse: “Let us praise God together . . .”?
I mentioned above that scholars think the spiritual may be rooted in Anglican practice. The Church of England was established in South Carolina prior to independence, and the practice of Episcopalians in the States—and Methodists too, for that matter—has long been and generally continues to be to kneel when receiving Communion.
I’m from a tradition (Presbyterian) where that wasn’t and isn’t at all part of our practice, but we still have always sung “on our knees.”
There is a sort of not-quite-kneeling slump used by Episcopalians here for whom this might be a problem.
That may be what David called the "Presbyterian potty position", a half-kneeling, half-sitting stance (I think) adopted by Presbies who found themselves in Anglican churches, and didn't quite know how to arrange themselves ...
There is a sort of not-quite-kneeling slump used by Episcopalians here for whom this might be a problem.
That may be what David called the "Presbyterian potty position", a half-kneeling, half-sitting stance (I think) adopted by Presbies who found themselves in Anglican churches, and didn't quite know how to arrange themselves ...
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Lord of all hopefulness. (Slane.}
O God you search me and you know me. (Bernadette Farrell's lovely hymn.)
Hail Redeemer, King Divine (Composed for the opening of Liverpool Met Cathedral, and a belter!)
The final organ only service of the summer as guitars etc return next week.
Two of our hymns had obviously been chosen to fit the sermon theme ("You are the light of the world") but I'm not sure that they were the best selection to complement Cranmer's communion text.
Shine Jesus Shine
I am the Bread of Life
This Little Light of Mine
Praise My Soul The King Of Heaven (Lauda Anima)
In Heavenly Love Abiding (Penlan)
May The Mind Of Christ My Saviour (St. Leonards)
God Of Grace And God Of Glory (Rhuddlan)
Give us wisdom, give us courage indeed.
Before the throne of God above
In Christ alone
Shine, Jesus, shine
From Oxford Dictionaries:
ditty
/ˈdɪti/
noun
1.
a short, simple song:
"a lovely little music-hall ditty"
Not, AFAICS, pejorative. In our hymnbook, it is indeed a short and simple song, with words and music attributed to one Bob Gilman
Thank you for your scholarly explanation of the song's origins. I posted in ignorance, not intending disrespect.
Great is thy faithfulness
When I survey
How deep the Father's love
From heaven you came
Standing in the need of prayer
Again, nothing objectionable (though I still have my concerns about appropriating SITNOP) but a bit... bland? And no metrical psalms or paraphrases.
Brother, sister, let me serve you (words and music by Richard Gillard)
Rock of ages (Petra/Redhead no.76)
Rejoice, the Lord is King (Gopsal)
Agreed as to Darwall's 148th - another cheerful tune (the 18thC brought forth a good few of those...)
Quam Dilecta (played at dirge-like pace by our faithful but antediluvian organist, Miss S) was often sung at the Tin Tabernacle Of My Youth, where I soon learned to loathe it, along with the 19thC evening hymns about death:
Holy Spirit, be thou nigh,
When in mortal pains we lie;
Grant us, as we come to die,
Light at evening time.
"Rock of ages" is hardly jolly, nor is "Abide with me".
I quite like "Day is dying in the west", especially for its tune.
"The day thou gavest, Lord, is ended" has a far more positive feel to it.
Lift up your heart, lift up your voice (tum-te-tum)
Rejoice, again I say, rejoice.
Our offerings at St Pete's today:
Ye holy angels bright Darwall's 148th
Restore, I Lord, the honour of your name - Kendrick
O thou who camest from above - Hereford
I'm accepted, I'm forgiven
Crown him with many crowns - Diademata
Yes, the Victorian preoccupation with Death was indeed reflected in their hymnody. Their predecessors weren't unmindful, of course.
Ah, the English language.
(BTW, Bob Gillman wrote the other hymn/song you mentioned, “Bind Us Together, Lord,” to which you likened “Let Us Break Bread Together.”)
Sure they do, because DARWALL’S 148TH is the correct tune.
Our BUT (published in 1974) became notorious in some churchy circles (mostly silly teenagers) as referring to BDSM practices...
Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
Ah. Yes, I see now. I think I must have been having a Senior Moment...
Thanks for the clarification, anyway.
For "Ye Holy Angels Bright"
I’d find it just wrong, I’m afraid. And what do you do when you get to the third verse: “Let us praise God together . . .”?
I mentioned above that scholars think the spiritual may be rooted in Anglican practice. The Church of England was established in South Carolina prior to independence, and the practice of Episcopalians in the States—and Methodists too, for that matter—has long been and generally continues to be to kneel when receiving Communion.
I’m from a tradition (Presbyterian) where that wasn’t and isn’t at all part of our practice, but we still have always sung “on our knees.”
I have similar visions of orthopaedic disaster at the line "leap and sing in all I do" from "One more step..."
There is a sort of not-quite-kneeling slump used by Episcopalians here for whom this might be a problem.
Another hymn that seems to be unknown on these shores.