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Mystery vestments

WearyPilgrimWearyPilgrim Shipmate Posts: 8
edited 7:23AM in Ecclesiantics
I was just on Facebook viewing a couple of posts from Anglican churches in London that featured photos of their Palm Sunday processions. Some of the clergy were in copes, while others were dressed in albs topped with rather elegant red vestments shaped somewhat like ponchos. They weren't chasubles, but I don't know what they were. Some of the wearers also wore birettas.

Can someone enlighten me? (I'm a Congregationalist.)

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Comments

  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    They are still called Chasubles, I think.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    For a definite answer it would help to know which church(es), but might it have been a dalmatic?
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited 2:59AM
    BroJames wrote: »
    For a definite answer it would help to know which church(es), but might it have been a dalmatic?

    The dalmatic is more of a tunic, much like I would recall seeing in stereotypical dress of Chinese characters in the older movies.

    On the other hand, the chasuble is more rounded like a poncho.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    Sounds like a chasuble to me. Can you post a link to one of the photos?
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    Yes I agree it does sound like a chasuble, but the OP specifically said they were not, so I started with the assumption that was correct.
  • Gamma GamalielGamma Gamaliel Shipmate
    I've forgotten the name but Orthodox deacons wear a kind of shorter chasuble-type thing during the procession of the elements before their consecration.

    It covers the shoulders but doesn't extend very far down the front or back.

    I'm wondering whether those wearing what @WearyPilgrim describes were deacons and wearing the Anglican equivalent of this particular piece of kit.
  • Ex_OrganistEx_Organist Shipmate
    Gamma Gamaliel wrote: »
    I've forgotten the name but Orthodox deacons wear a kind of shorter chasuble-type thing during the procession of the elements before their consecration.

    It covers the shoulders but doesn't extend very far down the front or back.
    .

    That is not a vestment. It is the "aer", the veil used to cover the chalice and diskos on the prothesis (preparation) table and on the Holy Table after the Great Entrance until the Creed.
  • ForthviewForthview Shipmate
    Is it possible that the vestments were chasubles but not the poncho type known as Gothic chasubles,but rather the Tridentine type 'Roman' chasuble also called Philip Neri chasuble. ?
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    Is that the type referred to sometimes as a 'fiddleback'?
  • ForthviewForthview Shipmate
    Yes, although technically the 'fiddleback' is narrow at the shoulders both front and back.
    The 'Roman' chasuble is narrow at the front and sides but has a wide form at the back of the chasuble. This became popular in the period after the Council of Trent and would have been seen wherever the Roman rite was used until the time of the Second Vatican Council. Since it was mainly the back of the chasuble which was seen by those attending Mass there were usually crosses or other religious designs embroidered upon the cloth.
  • Gamma GamalielGamma Gamaliel Shipmate
    Ex_Organist wrote: »
    Gamma Gamaliel wrote: »
    I've forgotten the name but Orthodox deacons wear a kind of shorter chasuble-type thing during the procession of the elements before their consecration.

    It covers the shoulders but doesn't extend very far down the front or back.
    .

    That is not a vestment. It is the "aer", the veil used to cover the chalice and diskos on the prothesis (preparation) table and on the Holy Table after the Great Entrance until the Creed.

    Yes. That's what I was thinking of.

    In which case there won't be an Anglican equivalent.

    Nobody tells you anything in Orthodoxy.

    I knew the deacon wears it during the procession but didn't realise it was the same thing used to cover the chalice etc.
  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Gamma Gamaliel wrote: »
    Ex_Organist wrote: »
    Gamma Gamaliel wrote: »
    I've forgotten the name but Orthodox deacons wear a kind of shorter chasuble-type thing during the procession of the elements before their consecration.

    It covers the shoulders but doesn't extend very far down the front or back.
    .

    That is not a vestment. It is the "aer", the veil used to cover the chalice and diskos on the prothesis (preparation) table and on the Holy Table after the Great Entrance until the Creed.

    Yes. That's what I was thinking of.

    In which case there won't be an Anglican equivalent.

    I wouldn't bet against Anglicans somewhere adopting it just "because".
  • ThunderBunkThunderBunk Shipmate
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