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    This is a Christian website, I know, but I wish Trump would just DIE, and make the world a slightly saner place. Yes, other Evils may follow, but this ghastly man is just too much for this poor planet to put up with any longer.

    As well as signs of congestive heart disease, the obvious weakness on his right side - can't lift his right hand, drags his right foot, mouth droops when tired - is indicative of a TIA or stroke. It could be that your wish comes true sooner than you think ...

    When (and I hope and pray it is when, not if) Article 25 has to be invoked I hope that all the enablers who have been complicit in the cover-up of his medical issues are impeached, including the medical staff at Walter Reed. He was no more fit to stand for office than Joe Biden.

    At least Joe Biden is a decent human being...
  • Lord, I pray that DT given time and oppurtunity to repent. And yes, I believe in Hell ... of our own making.

    But would Vance be any improvement?
  • RockyRoger wrote: »
    Lord, I pray that DT given time and oppurtunity to repent. And yes, I believe in Hell ... of our own making.

    But would Vance be any improvement?

    Hmm.

    Probably not, but we don't know that for certain. What we do know for reasonably certain is that Trump is likely to get even worse...

    That said, if Trump is genuinely suffering from advanced dementia, or a stroke, or whatever, then he may deserve a modicum of compassion. Those who continue to support him in office - for their own selfish and/or evil ends - do not.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    I was pleased to read this on the BBC website. It links very well with the experience of my friend.
    The British Army's former top bomb disposal officer in Afghanistan says he is "dismayed" by Trump's "callous" remarks.
    Bob Seddon was the principal ammunition technical officer (PATO) in Afghanistan from 2008 to 2011.
    He tells the BBC the British bomb disposal teams did "phenomenally dangerous" work alongside members of the Danish Battalion, as the Taliban increasingly made use of improvised explosive devices (IEDs).
    "Six of my operators from the Royal Logistic Corps were killed in action," he says. "A number of the supporting Royal Engineer Search Team members were also killed in action and others sustained grievous injuries."
    "I have spoken in the last few days to some of my former soldiers and officers and they have told me they cannot listen to the news on this subject as it is too distressing," he says
    He implored the president to speak to those in the US Armed Forces who worked with Nato allies in Afghanistan and to "understand the effect this has on the families of those who were killed in action".
  • @Barnabas62 - I'm sure your friend echoes something of the experience of the Army surgeon who removed my brain tumour.

    It really is time Trump was removed from office, if only for his own good.
  • Barnabas62 wrote: »
    A young friend of mine did two tours of Afghanistan and worked with a bomb disposal team. He rescued US troops as a part of his work, including troops with horrific injuries. Was often under fire when doing his job.

    Likewise our nephew in Scotland. He will not talk about his bomb disposal work in Afghanistan. I doubt that trump could give a definition of 'service', unless it is what others do for him.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    First of all, I want to thank the NATO members who went to Afghanistan for their service. It is said more Danes lost their lives per capita than Americans over there. When he says these things, I wonder what he is smoking.

    Second, we need to be careful about diagnosing what Trump may have based on what others are saying or what we see in the videos. However, he is 79 and it is showing. That is about as much as we can say.

  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited January 23
    I think that's fair comment @Gramps49 . Trump may well not realise the truth of whatever shite he's spouting at any given moment, BUT HIS MINDERS, LACKEYS, BROWN-NOSERS, AND LICKPITTLES DO!

    They are surely far more worthy of whatever Hellish Doom awaits them. May that Doom overtake them swiftly.
  • TurquoiseTasticTurquoiseTastic Kerygmania Host
    edited January 23
    Totally agree BF and for this reason I think the time when Trump goes, for whatever reason, will be a very dangerous moment. They will not wish to lose their grip on power.
  • jedijudyjedijudy Heaven Host

    That said, if Trump is genuinely suffering from advanced dementia, or a stroke, or whatever, then he may deserve a modicum of compassion. Those who continue to support him in office - for their own selfish and/or evil ends - do not.

    I'm reaching through every scrap of my being and can't find any compassion for Trump, no matter what he may have as an illness. In my opinion, he's the most evil, vile person in existence. Likewise, his enablers are disgusting for never stopping him because they are lily-livered and lack any moral compass whatsoever.

    To the rest of the world: I'm so sorry that this monster was voted into office and has broken our ties with our beloved allies, and I don't know how we will ever get your trust back.

    Normally, I try to keep my thoughts to myself here. It's just too difficult to do that today. I'm so angry and frustrated.

  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Totally agree BF and for this reason I think the time when Trump goes, for whatever reason, will be a very dangerous moment. They will not wish to lose their grip on power.

    The knives will be out on the right when Trump goes. JD Vance seems like a natural successor, but he's charisma-free and unlikely to be able to hold together that band of misfits. I'm not sure anyone will be able to.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited January 24
    Sorry. The information I was trying to share is paywalled.
  • Graven ImageGraven Image Shipmate
    edited January 24
    After the USA pulled out of the World Health Organization yesterday, California joined the World Health Organization today. I wonder if other states will follow?
  • Keir Starmer has finally found his cojones and condemned Trump's comments about other NATO nations' troops and Afghanistan.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    After the USA pulled out of the World Health Organization yesterday, California joined the World Health Organization today. I wonder if other states will follow?

    Technically only sovereign states can join the World Health Organization; however, individual states can collaborate with WHO affiliated programs through its public health agencies. California has joined The Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network (GOARN). I would not be surprised if Washington State will also join the network.
  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited January 24
    stetson wrote: »
    ...they gave it to someone who fit into the slight venn overlap between "On The Same Side Of A Geopolitical Issue As Trump" and "Acceptable To Centrist Opinion In Europe And The Anglosphere".

    Trump appears not to really care if Machado herself gets to rule Venezuela

    And one of the reasons she is acceptable to centrist opinion in the west is her social liberalism(pro-choice, pro-lgbqt)

    It's also possible that the economic liberalism came first, and the social liberalism is a good way of laundering the former.

    My own view is that it's probably not as actively calculated as a word like "laundering" would suggest. For an easy analogy, Margaret Thatcher and her support for the legal reforms of 1967. Her economic laissiez-faire and her social laissiez-faire probably just kinda went hand in hand(*).

    (*) Based partly on a half-remembered skim of Thatcher's memoirs, fused with recollections of similar worldviews among the suburban middle-class of my youthful exposure.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    I wouldn't describe Thatcher as socially laissez-faire - she banned positive depictions of gay people from schools for example.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    edited January 24
    In my head, she was unpleasant in many ways. But too good things she did, were get the children act through - and she took HIV seriously and made people take notice. (Despite also being homophobic.)
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    I'd agree that relative to her times Thatcher was better than any current prominent right-wing UK politician.
  • This "Board of Peace" that trump is promoting is beyond appalling - a luxury resort built on a graveyard. Why not just call it "The trump Gaza resort development corporation"? Presumably all those who stump up the $1B subscription will be the shareholders.
  • DoublethinkDoublethink Admin, 8th Day Host
    History suggests that investing in a Trump, project when you are not yourself a Trump, doesn’t necessarily result in the promised return.
  • jedijudy wrote: »

    That said, if Trump is genuinely suffering from advanced dementia, or a stroke, or whatever, then he may deserve a modicum of compassion. Those who continue to support him in office - for their own selfish and/or evil ends - do not.

    I'm reaching through every scrap of my being and can't find any compassion for Trump, no matter what he may have as an illness. In my opinion, he's the most evil, vile person in existence. Likewise, his enablers are disgusting for never stopping him because they are lily-livered and lack any moral compass whatsoever.

    To the rest of the world: I'm so sorry that this monster was voted into office and has broken our ties with our beloved allies, and I don't know how we will ever get your trust back.

    Normally, I try to keep my thoughts to myself here. It's just too difficult to do that today. I'm so angry and frustrated.

    I hear you, and can only say that I'm sorry for your anguish. There really are no other words.
  • @jedijudy I echo what @Bishops Finger said.
    Trump may have the excuse of disease. What excuse for the enablers - Vance, Hegseth, Leavitt, Johnson et al? Either they are so irredeemably stupid they really can't see what is standing 6'2" in front of them or, more likely IMO, they are so lacking in morality and common decency that they've calculated their best hope of personal advancement is by keeping Trump in office. As for the US military, have they thought through the implications of a man no unfiltered and unrestrained having access to, never mind control over, the nuclear "football"?
  • There is no legitimate excuse for the enablers. They, too, will soon go down into the dustbin of history, only remembered for the evil they have done or permitted.

    As to the military, and the thought of nukes, one can only hope that someone will, at some point, prevent the madman from doing what we all fear.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Trump may have the excuse of disease.

    No, he's always been a horrible person. When building stuff he would stiff small suppliers and when they complained he'd say, So sue me, knowing that didn't have the resources for that. In 1989, when five teenagers were accused of raping a woman in Central Park, he took out full-page ads in several New York papers calling for the death penalty. The accused were subsequently convicted and imprisoned for several years until the actual rapist later confessed.
  • I see that Trump is once again having a pop at Canada (whose only hope of salvation from being entirely devoured by China is presumably to become a US state):

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/trump-canada-tariff-threat-venezuela-oil

    I wouldn't like to be in Mark Carney's shoes...but I have no doubt that Canadians will take this latest threat as seriously as they've taken previous rumblings from the Orange Oaf.
  • From this week's 'Church Times' 'Quotes of the Week' from DT at a press conference on Jan 20: 'I think God is very proud of the job I've done, and that includes for religion'.

    You just couldn't make it up .......

    How long, dear Lord, how long?
  • What an arrant fool he is. The higher he tries to fly, the further he will have to fall...
  • Ruth wrote: »
    Trump may have the excuse of disease.
    No, he's always been a horrible person.
    This!
    @jedijudy I echo what @Bishops Finger said.
    Trump may have the excuse of disease. What excuse for the enablers - Vance, Hegseth, Leavitt, Johnson et al? Either they are so irredeemably stupid they really can't see what is standing 6'2" in front of them or, more likely IMO, they are so lacking in morality and common decency that they've calculated their best hope of personal advancement is by keeping Trump in office.
    I wouldn’t discount the possibility that Vance and any others who might want him to be or thinks he is likely to be Trump’s long-term successor are hoping to get Trump past the two-year mark in this term so that Vance isn’t limited under the 22nd Amendment to only one more term.

    As for the US military, have they thought through the implications of a man no unfiltered and unrestrained having access to, never mind control over, the nuclear "football"?
    I have reason to feel pretty confident that they are quite aware, and that a lot of effort has gone and is going into preventing the administration from doing damage that can’t be undone, while trying not to overstep the appropriate role of the military.


  • stetsonstetson Shipmate
    edited January 25
    Dafyd wrote: »
    I wouldn't describe Thatcher as socially laissez-faire - she banned positive depictions of gay people from schools for example.

    Right. That's why I specified her position in regards to the 1967 bill(*). See 1980/1990s Barry Goldwater, for another example of someone Machado may plausibly resemble.

    (*) In her aforementioned autobiography, Thatcher actually has a short passage in which she tries to argue that her support for the Sexual Offenses Act 1967 and her support for Section 28 both followed logically from the principles of classical liberalism. I know what she was getting at(from the POV of a rabid-dog possessive individualist), but IIRC her own presentation of the argument was marred by a somewhat sensationalist ascription of motivations to the creators of the curricula under discussion.

    FWIW, her apologia for the 1967 liberalization mentions her personal connection with numerous of the "men" who were ensnared under the old laws.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    stetson wrote: »
    but IIRC her own presentation of the argument was marred by a somewhat sensationalist ascription of motivations to the creators of the curricula under discussion.

    Intentional distortion - same playbook as is used today wrt Epiphanic issues at the centre of today's culture wars.

  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    Well Thatcher was very keen on the EU. Something Trump is not.
    Apparently the EU is paling up with a group of South America countries to avoid dealing with the US.
  • Jane RJane R Shipmate
    I see Trump has changed his tune about British troops, having learned that the King was 'concerned' about his remarks. Can't upset his mate Charlie. Except the King protested on behalf of all NATO troops, not just the English-speaking ones.

    Nobody (except Nigel Garbage) is going to forget this.

  • WhimsicalChristianWhimsicalChristian Shipmate Posts: 17
    78 pages. Gosh, it's quite the echo chamber on this thread. But I suppose that's what hell is.

  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    78 pages. Gosh, it's quite the echo chamber on this thread. But I suppose that's what hell is.

    Feel free to tell us how marvellous Trump is you think so.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    78 pages. Gosh, it's quite the echo chamber on this thread. But I suppose that's what hell is.
    Anyone can post
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    edited January 25
    It's preemptive projection. The right-winger comes out of their echo chamber and accused everyone else of being in an echo chamber. It is much easier than actually addressing the criticisms made.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    Goodness. It's starting to sound like civil war. 😢
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    edited January 25
    The above comment has been proven false. Can a mod sort it please.

    ETA: False information deleted as per request of original poster. Dafyd Hell Host.
  • LouiseLouise Epiphanies Host
    This is the Ship of Fools. Trump sympathisers would be looking for the Ship of Sociopathy. I think Elon Musk runs that.
  • Boogie wrote: »
    Goodness. It's starting to sound like civil war. 😢

    That thought is expressed in today's UK Guardian:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/25/minneapolis-shooting-ice-trump-analysis
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    78 pages. Gosh, it's quite the echo chamber on this thread. But I suppose that's what hell is.

    Feel free to tell us how marvellous Trump is if you think so.

    Yes, please do. It shouldn't take long.
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    78 pages. Gosh, it's quite the echo chamber on this thread. But I suppose that's what hell is.

    Fuck off. I'm sure you think you're cute - or "whimsical" - but what you really are is an asshole.
  • Bishops FingerBishops Finger Shipmate
    edited January 25
    An Australian Shipmate IIRC.

    Be careful - your country may be next in line in Trump's mad dream of world domination...
  • Meanwhile, from the UK Guardian's Simon Tisdall's opinion piece today:

    Citizens of the Republic! Impeach Trump. Declare him unfit. Rise up, rebel and overthrow him as, 250 years ago, George III was overthrown. Do whatever you must to peacefully rid the world of this gaudy, gormless usurper and dethrone this would-be king – but do it fast. Spike his guns. Shut him down. Lock him up. Exorcise the monster.

    Good advice. Can it be followed, please, pretty please?
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Nah, we're good.
  • Meanwhile, from the UK Guardian's Simon Tisdall's opinion piece today:

    Citizens of the Republic! Impeach Trump. Declare him unfit. Rise up, rebel and overthrow him as, 250 years ago, George III was overthrown. Do whatever you must to peacefully rid the world of this gaudy, gormless usurper and dethrone this would-be king – but do it fast. Spike his guns. Shut him down. Lock him up. Exorcise the monster.

    Good advice. Can it be followed, please, pretty please?
    Why is it “good advice”? It appears to me to be rather uninformed advice.


  • Lamb ChoppedLamb Chopped Shipmate
    edited January 25
    Also singularly lacking in practical hands-on advice applicable to Americans of the ordinary sort. If someone had insights not already being employed, I'd be interested-- useful advice, not "you figure it out and fast, I'm getting impatient here, where's my miracle?"
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    Plus the rest of the piece is bullshit. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/25/global-rule-of-law-donald-trump-approval-ratings
    All the post-Davos talk is about what the UK, the EU and Nato must do in future to resist and constrain Trump, and how to counter his attempts to demolish the global rules-based order. Yet a sense of proportion is required. If his policies and posturing are removed from the equation, it’s clear that the unedifying but familiar postwar world of great power rivalries and de-facto spheres of influence remains largely unchanged. Continuities outnumber ruptures. It’s also clear this crisis is not ultimately one Europe can solve.

    Trump and Trump alone is the principal, pressing problem.

    This is a complete load of crap. Trump has many supporters and enablers in the US, and far right parties and groups in Europe and the UK are stronger than they should be. Removing Trump from the equation will not reset everything back to the way things used to be.

    And once again, posters here outside the US addressing Americans, especially in the direct way @Bishops Finger did, need to remember we are individuals, real people, who are not in this case placed to do much besides call our elected officials, protest, and support people directly affected by the regime's enormities.

    We're doing those things. I'm too fucking old to be running away from cops, but I'm still out there at every protest in my city. I'm going to the whistles and zine-folding event in my neighborhood this Saturday. I'm donating to the local immigrant bail fund.

    What the fuck else do you want from us?

    "Pretty, pretty please"? Are you fucking serious?
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    And - don't answer. I'm going to take another break from the Ship. It's too maddening here.
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