Ken Klippenstein has a bunch of leaked Border Patrol documents that seem to indicate DHS is worried about a backlash following the murder of Renee Good. (Reminder that while we talk about ICE a lot, Customs and Border Protection, another DHS agency, is heavily involved in the raids and abductions we're seeing and has been doing horrible things on our southern border for a long time.) They're reminding agents that people are allowed to cuss at them and film them, among other things. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/immigration-agents-terrified-by-ice
Ken Klippenstein has a bunch of leaked Border Patrol documents that seem to indicate DHS is worried about a backlash following the murder of Renee Good. (Reminder that while we talk about ICE a lot, Customs and Border Protection, another DHS agency, is heavily involved in the raids and abductions we're seeing and has been doing horrible things on our southern border for a long time.) They're reminding agents that people are allowed to cuss at them and film them, among other things. https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/immigration-agents-terrified-by-ice
We're at the "even some Gestapo members were horrified by the SS" stage.
Another ICE shooting in Minneapolis. Apparently, an ICE officer tried to stop a Venezuelan man who had been on their list. The man took off running and the officer chased him. The ICE officer caught up with the man in an apartment parking lot. Two people from the apartments came out and were harassing the officer, The officer feared for his life and fired a defensive shot wounding one of the other men.
The police aren't defending the people of Minneapolis and St. Paul. They're doing crowd control at best.* I don't know what you think the National Guard would do. How can they defend Minnesotans? If a Guard unit saw ICE or CBP agents hauling someone off, what would they be expected to do? How would they stop it? Draw their guns? Have little battles on city streets?
Federal agents are terrorizing multiple neighborhoods day after day. Minneapolis schools are offering online teaching because it isn't safe for some people to leave their homes. People are organizing neighborhood patrols and coordinating school pickups and grocery deliveries. The level of chaos is unbelievable.
*The city police where I live just stand by and watch when ICE and CBP goons are taking people. They're not supposed to help, but they're not supposed to interfere either. They end up helping the feds because they prevent crowds from helping individuals being abducted.
National Guard Units have been trained in crowd control. They can insert themselves between ICE and civilians. I have watched several instances where ICE is on an intersection outside of Fort Snelling and demonstrators are across the street. All of the sudden ICE will start across the street to push the demonstrators back. A line of guardsmen with their Stryker units as anchors can easily keep both parties separate. The guardsmen do not have to carry guns for the operation. Sheilds and batons would be standard issue.
The police aren't defending the people of Minneapolis and St. Paul. They're doing crowd control at best.* I don't know what you think the National Guard would do. How can they defend Minnesotans? If a Guard unit saw ICE or CBP agents hauling someone off, what would they be expected to do? How would they stop it? Draw their guns? Have little battles on city streets?
Federal agents are terrorizing multiple neighborhoods day after day. Minneapolis schools are offering online teaching because it isn't safe for some people to leave their homes. People are organizing neighborhood patrols and coordinating school pickups and grocery deliveries. The level of chaos is unbelievable.
*The city police where I live just stand by and watch when ICE and CBP goons are taking people. They're not supposed to help, but they're not supposed to interfere either. They end up helping the feds because they prevent crowds from helping individuals being abducted.
Thanks. This is the city where George Floyd was lynched in public and the police force started quitting en masse because people got mad. We still don't trust the MPD. And all the cops have rules of engagement here too - I was told by my suburban mayor that the police aren't allowed to stop ICE from abducting people.
The thing about the shooting in North Minneapolis that people outside the city might not get - North is different than Southside. Southside is a lot of peaceful liberals, but North has been organizing and fighting institutional racism for decades. They won't be passive. When the MPD murdered Jamar Clark in North in 2015 the neighborhood surrounded the local precinct and basically led a siege. I'm on edge to see what happens, and worried for family and friends living there.
ETA: I just realized that I was coding it in local terms but I'll spell it out- North is a mostly Black neighborhood that has been subjugated and treated poorly for decades.
National Guard Units have been trained in crowd control. They can insert themselves between ICE and civilians. I have watched several instances where ICE is on an intersection outside of Fort Snelling and demonstrators are across the street. All of the sudden ICE will start across the street to push the demonstrators back. A line of guardsmen with their Stryker units as anchors can easily keep both parties separate. The guardsmen do not have to carry guns for the operation. Sheilds and batons would be standard issue.
But, that's still crowd control. That's stopping protestors getting shot or detained by ICE. It doesn't stop ICE detaining anyone, and in preventing protestors from getting to the scene can easily be making it easier for ICE to detain people - and easier for them to do so without it all being recorded. Would the National Guard let protestors move around freely and form a barrier between ICE and those they are seeking to detain? If not then the guard are part of the problem not the solution.
National Guard Units have been trained in crowd control. They can insert themselves between ICE and civilians. I have watched several instances where ICE is on an intersection outside of Fort Snelling and demonstrators are across the street. All of the sudden ICE will start across the street to push the demonstrators back. A line of guardsmen with their Stryker units as anchors can easily keep both parties separate. The guardsmen do not have to carry guns for the operation. Sheilds and batons would be standard issue.
But, that's still crowd control. That's stopping protestors getting shot or detained by ICE. It doesn't stop ICE detaining anyone, and in preventing protestors from getting to the scene can easily be making it easier for ICE to detain people - and easier for them to do so without it all being recorded. Would the National Guard let protestors move around freely and form a barrier between ICE and those they are seeking to detain? If not then the guard are part of the problem not the solution.
In the scenario I presented, it is the ICE agents who are rushing the protesters. The guard would keep ICE from rushing the protestors.
Yes, but would the National Guard be preventing ICE from detaining people that ICE consider to be "illegal immigrants"? Would they be actively protecting everyone, immigrants and protestors, or just protestors? If the National Guard and local police are not actively preventing Gestapo-like actions of ICE (detaining people on minor charges, of lesser severity than any one of the felonies that Trump has been convicted of, and then shoving them into concentration camps), and especially if in keeping protestors away from ICE thugs, then they are allowing these evil acts to be perpetrated in the name of the people of America.
“If the corrupt politicians of Minnesota don’t obey the law and stop the professional agitators and insurrectionists from attacking the Patriots of I.C.E., who are only trying to do their job, I will institute the INSURRECTION ACT, which many Presidents have done before me, and quickly put an end to the travesty that is taking place in that once great State,” Trump said in social media post...
He seems to be hankering for the chance to 'legally' shoot his own citizens. Has the Act been used previously by 'many' Presidents?
From ABC News: When it was last used in 1992 by President George H.W. Bush to send the National Guard to Los Angeles, it was at the request of then-GOP Gov. Pete Wilson as riots exploded in the city after the acquittal of white police officers charged in the beating of Rodney King.
If I remember right, after Hurricane Katrina, when there was a gaudawful mess in New Orleans, Bush wanted to institute the insurrection act to federalize the Louisiana Guard Troops to insert into New Orleans, but the state governor refused. Bush had to send in federal troops, but not under the insurrection act. It was a disaster relief operation. I think if Trump tried to federalize the Minnesota National Guard Walz would refuse.
Yes, but would the National Guard be preventing ICE from detaining people that ICE consider to be "illegal immigrants"? Would they be actively protecting everyone, immigrants and protestors, or just protestors? If the National Guard and local police are not actively preventing Gestapo-like actions of ICE (detaining people on minor charges, of lesser severity than any one of the felonies that Trump has been convicted of, and then shoving them into concentration camps), and especially if in keeping protestors away from ICE thugs, then they are allowing these evil acts to be perpetrated in the name of the people of America.
Exactly.
Calling out the National Guard would put Guard members in a horrible position. They are trained in crowd control, but it's not the civilian crowds that need controlling in Minneapolis - it's the armed thugs employed by the US government.
From ABC News: When it was last used in 1992 by President George H.W. Bush to send the National Guard to Los Angeles, it was at the request of then-GOP Gov. Pete Wilson as riots exploded in the city after the acquittal of white police officers charged in the beating of Rodney King.
Yes, a very different situation from what's going on in Minnesota, where civilians aren't rioting.
How? Just standing there? Pointing weapons at ICE? Firing on them?
What did I say, Ruth? I said standard issue for crowd control is shields and batons anchored by Stryker vehicles. No guns have to be involved.
They could be facing the ICE agents and push them away from civilian demonstrators.
ICE doesn't line up nice and neat to be pushed away. They're all over the place in the videos I've seen. And how would the Guard prevent them from shooting pepper balls and tear gas into crowds?
How? Just standing there? Pointing weapons at ICE? Firing on them?
What did I say, Ruth? I said standard issue for crowd control is shields and batons anchored by Stryker vehicles. No guns have to be involved.
They could be facing the ICE agents and push them away from civilian demonstrators.
ICE doesn't line up nice and neat to be pushed away. They're all over the place in the videos I've seen. And how would the Guard prevent them from shooting pepper balls and tear gas into crowds?
True. Walz has put the guard on alert, though. If the vandalism continues to escalate, he just might have to deploy them. And then it could be the other way around.
I see a congressional delegation is in Minneapolis today.
Question: how is ICE impacting the rest of Minnesota, like Bemidji or Wilmar or St Cloud?
A federal judge has ruled that ICE cannot tear gas or use pepper balls against peaceful protestors, nor can they arrest detain citizens or even ask for their papers and they cannot use crowd dispersal tools against peaceful protesters. Story here.
Meanwhile, the US Department of Justice has started investigations against Governor Walz and Mayor Frey for obstruction of justice, as also reported above. This is a typical Trump tactic, to use the DOJ in retaliation against those he does not like. But a legal analysist on MSNow said the law says a person has to physically obstruct officers in the carrying out of their duties. Frey and Walz have constantly told demonstrators not to get physical. They have not been out on the demonstration lines either. I really do not see how those charges are going to stick.
What I'm wondering is when That Person is going to max out their capabilities for doing even a pseudo-investigation. Surely they will run out of employees soon!
Being Undocumented Is Not a Crime.
Did that make you uncomfortable?
Good. That means it interrupted the nonsense you’ve been fed.
Here’s the fact people love to ignore: being undocumented in the U.S. is not a criminal offense.
And the fact that so many don’t know this tells me exactly how little they understand about the law.
So let’s be clear—without slogans, without propaganda.
There are two kinds of law:
Criminal law punishes harm.
Violence. Theft. Assault. Fraud.
Arrest. Charges. Prison. Criminal record.
Civil law manages systems.
Taxes. Permits. Contracts. Licenses. Immigration status.
Civil violations do not make someone a criminal.
Speeding is illegal.
You’re not a criminal.
Overstaying paperwork is a civil violation.
Still not a criminal.
Immigration law lives in civil law.
That’s why undocumented immigrants go to immigration court, not criminal court.
That’s why deportation exists as a civil remedy, not prison as punishment.
That’s why simply being undocumented does not equal a criminal conviction.
Yes—illegal entry can be charged as a misdemeanor.
But here’s the part people conveniently forget:
Illegal entry is a completed act, not an ongoing crime.
If someone crosses the border, isn’t caught, and later is found living here, they are generally placed into civil removal proceedings, not charged criminally just for existing. That distinction is intentional. Written into law. Enforced for decades.
So when people scream “they’re here illegally,” what they’re really saying is:
“They violated a civil rule”—whether they understand that or not.
Now let’s talk hypocrisy.
The loudest “law and order” crowd is shockingly comfortable tossing the Constitution aside when it becomes inconvenient.
Because here’s another fact they hate:
Everyone on U.S. soil has constitutional rights.
Citizens. Immigrants. Undocumented immigrants.
Due process.
Equal protection.
Protection from unreasonable searches and seizures.
The right to a hearing.
Those rights don’t vanish because someone makes you uncomfortable.
America is supposed to be proud of that.
Yet the same people who scream about tyranny, worship the Second Amendment, and claim to love the Constitution are suddenly fine with federal officers operating with unchecked power—detaining people based on accents, skin color, or appearance to hit quotas.
Funny how fast “constitutional rights” disappear when the person doesn’t look like you.
That isn’t law and order.
That’s selective morality.
History has a pattern for this.
It starts with dehumanizing language:
“They’re illegal.”
“They don’t belong.”
“They’re the problem.”
And it always ends with:
“I didn’t think it would go that far.”
We’ve seen this movie before. Every time.
What makes it even uglier is how often cruelty gets wrapped in religion and patriotism.
You don’t get to preach love while cheering abuse.
You don’t get to wave the flag while shredding the Constitution.
You don’t get to claim moral authority while supporting collective punishment.
Less than 1% committing crimes does not justify targeting millions.
That isn’t justice.
That isn’t American.
That’s fear looking for permission.
So let me end this plainly:
Undocumented does not mean criminal.
Civil violations are not crimes.
Constitutional rights do not disappear because someone fails your purity test.
And the people willing to throw all of that away aren’t defending law and order.
They’re defending power without accountability.
History never remembers those people kindly.
FWIW, I've changed 'Minneapolis' to 'Minnesota' on Our Place's web page, reflecting the wider picture we now see.
It feels good to be seen, thank you.
It’s a small thing, but the Minnesota flag is flying at our house.
I’ve mentioned on the Ship before that I collect flags—I have close to 100—and there’s always one flying at the house. For the most part, I’ve mainly collected flags of places we’ve been or have some connection to. But over the last year we’ve found it to be a way to express solidarity, so we’ve gotten some flags of places we don’t have connection with other than concern and prayers.
Like I said, a small thing. But I tend to hope small things can matter.
The Minnesota National Guard has been mobilized to assist law enforcement.
The National Guard is “staged and ready to respond,” Minnesota National Guard spokesperson Army Maj. Andrea Tsuchiya said in a statement to CNN. “We are not deployed to city streets at this time.”
Troops will help provide “traffic support to protect life, preserve property, and support the rights of all Minnesotans to assemble peacefully,” Tsuchiya said.
If the Guard is deployed, supporting peaceful assembly will turn out to mean keeping protesters away from ICE, so those asswipes will do their dirty work unimpeded.
Folks in Minneapolis aren't just protesting; they're following ICE, alerting the neighborhoods, and getting in the way. If Guard troops interpose themselves between ICE and members of the public, they may very well do more harm than good. People in Minneapolis going out to alert their neighbors and to film ICE activities know at this point what they're getting themselves into. They've decided the risks are worth it. A woman was shot and killed, and they're still turning out.
Meanwhile, the Pentagon has announced it is readying 1,500 active duty troops from Alaska to go into Minneapolis. These are not Guard members. Which would you prefer?
I had previously mentioned Walz was mobilizing the National Guard. Ruth panned that idea. Now Trump is preparing to sent federal troops in, Would she prefer the Federal troops from Alaska or the hometown people from the Guard?
Either way, the troops would be there to "keep the peace," which means corraling civilians who are protecting people from ICE/CBP away from those federal agents, which aids the feds in abducting people off the streets and out of their homes. It's like you haven't watched any video of what's going on in Minneapolis or of what happened in Los Angeles last summer.
Either way, the troops would be there to "keep the peace," which means corraling civilians who are protecting people from ICE/CBP away from those federal agents, which aids the feds in abducting people off the streets and out of their homes. It's like you haven't watched any video of what's going on in Minneapolis or of what happened in Los Angeles last summer.
Oh, I have watched them, and I have close friends in Minneapolis who are keeping us informed.
With the homebodies in the National Guard, I am betting Walz will order them to intervene against ICE if they violate the recent Federal judge's order that they cannot ask for proof of citizenship, they cannot arrest citizens and they cannot use crowd control measures.
ICE has already said it will continue to use tear gas and pepper spray. Seems like they are intentionally egging Walz on so that Trump can send in Federal troops, and the Federal troops will not likely have hometown feelings.
Personally, I happen to think the invasion of the Cities Church in St Paul by anti ICE protesters did not do Minneapolis any good, nor the attack on the counter demonstrators are doing any good for Minneapolis. Yes, Cities Church is a Christian Nationalist church which has a pastor by the name of Eastwood who happens to be an ICE official, but to actively attack the church or the counter protestors only feeds into the reasons why Trump will send in Federal troops.
I am thinking right now he is holding off because his generals do not want to mix it up with the National Guard. That would be tantamount to civil war.
One of my friends wondered why is it Trump is willing to back up the protesters in Iran, but not ones here.
You tagged me and demanded an answer when I didn't respond fast enough for your liking. Have the courtesy to answer the question I posed.
One of my friends wondered why is it Trump is willing to back up the protesters in Iran, but not ones here.
Good question.
No, it's a stupid question. It's quite obvious why he would temporarily voice support for protests against the regime in Iran -- he will not actually support them in any real way -- but not back up people protesting against his signature issue here at home.
You tagged me and demanded an answer when I didn't respond fast enough for your liking. Have the courtesy to answer the question I posed.
I had already answered the question as best I can--actually several times- but you refused to accept my answer. Now, the only answer I can give is we will have to wait to see the results.
Some of us remember Kent State. Yes, troops can and sometimes do shoot at civilians.
I keep thinking of that re the shooting of Renee Good. The people who gave that order at Kent State did effectively get what they wanted in the very short term....
CBS Overtime obtained a video of a shooting in Chicago that was very much like Good's shooting. Fortunately, the woman survived. Goes to show how ICE lies.
Also worth noting the way that Renée Good being a lesbian is being used against her. Her widow is a butch lesbian and is being demonised because of this.
At this point, to quote a pop song, "If your lips are movin' then you're lyin'" with that crowd. It's a shame but that's about where it is. If the stakes of the conversation are higher, so are the odds that they're lying.
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https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/immigration-agents-terrified-by-ice
We're at the "even some Gestapo members were horrified by the SS" stage.
This, at least was the DHS version
The Guardian report here.
With the recent surge of federal officers into Minneapolis the Minneapolis and St Paul police forces are being overwhelmed.
I would not be surprised if Walz calls out the National Guard very soon
Federal agents are terrorizing multiple neighborhoods day after day. Minneapolis schools are offering online teaching because it isn't safe for some people to leave their homes. People are organizing neighborhood patrols and coordinating school pickups and grocery deliveries. The level of chaos is unbelievable.
*The city police where I live just stand by and watch when ICE and CBP goons are taking people. They're not supposed to help, but they're not supposed to interfere either. They end up helping the feds because they prevent crowds from helping individuals being abducted.
Thanks. This is the city where George Floyd was lynched in public and the police force started quitting en masse because people got mad. We still don't trust the MPD. And all the cops have rules of engagement here too - I was told by my suburban mayor that the police aren't allowed to stop ICE from abducting people.
The thing about the shooting in North Minneapolis that people outside the city might not get - North is different than Southside. Southside is a lot of peaceful liberals, but North has been organizing and fighting institutional racism for decades. They won't be passive. When the MPD murdered Jamar Clark in North in 2015 the neighborhood surrounded the local precinct and basically led a siege. I'm on edge to see what happens, and worried for family and friends living there.
ETA: I just realized that I was coding it in local terms but I'll spell it out- North is a mostly Black neighborhood that has been subjugated and treated poorly for decades.
In the scenario I presented, it is the ICE agents who are rushing the protesters. The guard would keep ICE from rushing the protestors.
From the man himself:
“If the corrupt politicians of Minnesota don’t obey the law and stop the professional agitators and insurrectionists from attacking the Patriots of I.C.E., who are only trying to do their job, I will institute the INSURRECTION ACT, which many Presidents have done before me, and quickly put an end to the travesty that is taking place in that once great State,” Trump said in social media post...
He seems to be hankering for the chance to 'legally' shoot his own citizens. Has the Act been used previously by 'many' Presidents?
How? Just standing there? Pointing weapons at ICE? Firing on them?
Exactly.
Calling out the National Guard would put Guard members in a horrible position. They are trained in crowd control, but it's not the civilian crowds that need controlling in Minneapolis - it's the armed thugs employed by the US government.
Yes, a very different situation from what's going on in Minnesota, where civilians aren't rioting.
What did I say, Ruth? I said standard issue for crowd control is shields and batons anchored by Stryker vehicles. No guns have to be involved.
They could be facing the ICE agents and push them away from civilian demonstrators.
ICE doesn't line up nice and neat to be pushed away. They're all over the place in the videos I've seen. And how would the Guard prevent them from shooting pepper balls and tear gas into crowds?
True. Walz has put the guard on alert, though. If the vandalism continues to escalate, he just might have to deploy them. And then it could be the other way around.
I see a congressional delegation is in Minneapolis today.
Question: how is ICE impacting the rest of Minnesota, like Bemidji or Wilmar or St Cloud?
With apologies to the Admins -
Rochester: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/16/rochester-to-hold-protest-condemning-rising-ice-activity
Wilmar: https://www.audacy.com/wccoradio/news/local/ice-agents-ate-at-mexican-restaurant-then-arrested-workers
Around the state: https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/list-of-major-ice-raids-updates-in-minnesota-on-friday-jan-16
And there's this mess with the Oglala Sioux Tribe: https://ictnews.org/news/north-central-bureau/four-oglala-detainees-located-three-still-in-ice-custody/
Thank you. I am particularly interested in Wilmar since I spent a year internship in Clara City, about 20 miles SW of Wilmar.
It feels good to be seen, thank you.
Meanwhile, the US Department of Justice has started investigations against Governor Walz and Mayor Frey for obstruction of justice, as also reported above. This is a typical Trump tactic, to use the DOJ in retaliation against those he does not like. But a legal analysist on MSNow said the law says a person has to physically obstruct officers in the carrying out of their duties. Frey and Walz have constantly told demonstrators not to get physical. They have not been out on the demonstration lines either. I really do not see how those charges are going to stick.
Being Undocumented Is Not a Crime.
Did that make you uncomfortable?
Good. That means it interrupted the nonsense you’ve been fed.
Here’s the fact people love to ignore: being undocumented in the U.S. is not a criminal offense.
And the fact that so many don’t know this tells me exactly how little they understand about the law.
So let’s be clear—without slogans, without propaganda.
There are two kinds of law:
Criminal law punishes harm.
Violence. Theft. Assault. Fraud.
Arrest. Charges. Prison. Criminal record.
Civil law manages systems.
Taxes. Permits. Contracts. Licenses. Immigration status.
Civil violations do not make someone a criminal.
Speeding is illegal.
You’re not a criminal.
Overstaying paperwork is a civil violation.
Still not a criminal.
Immigration law lives in civil law.
That’s why undocumented immigrants go to immigration court, not criminal court.
That’s why deportation exists as a civil remedy, not prison as punishment.
That’s why simply being undocumented does not equal a criminal conviction.
Yes—illegal entry can be charged as a misdemeanor.
But here’s the part people conveniently forget:
Illegal entry is a completed act, not an ongoing crime.
If someone crosses the border, isn’t caught, and later is found living here, they are generally placed into civil removal proceedings, not charged criminally just for existing. That distinction is intentional. Written into law. Enforced for decades.
So when people scream “they’re here illegally,” what they’re really saying is:
“They violated a civil rule”—whether they understand that or not.
Now let’s talk hypocrisy.
The loudest “law and order” crowd is shockingly comfortable tossing the Constitution aside when it becomes inconvenient.
Because here’s another fact they hate:
Everyone on U.S. soil has constitutional rights.
Citizens. Immigrants. Undocumented immigrants.
Due process.
Equal protection.
Protection from unreasonable searches and seizures.
The right to a hearing.
Those rights don’t vanish because someone makes you uncomfortable.
America is supposed to be proud of that.
Yet the same people who scream about tyranny, worship the Second Amendment, and claim to love the Constitution are suddenly fine with federal officers operating with unchecked power—detaining people based on accents, skin color, or appearance to hit quotas.
Funny how fast “constitutional rights” disappear when the person doesn’t look like you.
That isn’t law and order.
That’s selective morality.
History has a pattern for this.
It starts with dehumanizing language:
“They’re illegal.”
“They don’t belong.”
“They’re the problem.”
And it always ends with:
“I didn’t think it would go that far.”
We’ve seen this movie before. Every time.
What makes it even uglier is how often cruelty gets wrapped in religion and patriotism.
You don’t get to preach love while cheering abuse.
You don’t get to wave the flag while shredding the Constitution.
You don’t get to claim moral authority while supporting collective punishment.
Less than 1% committing crimes does not justify targeting millions.
That isn’t justice.
That isn’t American.
That’s fear looking for permission.
So let me end this plainly:
Undocumented does not mean criminal.
Civil violations are not crimes.
Constitutional rights do not disappear because someone fails your purity test.
And the people willing to throw all of that away aren’t defending law and order.
They’re defending power without accountability.
History never remembers those people kindly.
I’ve mentioned on the Ship before that I collect flags—I have close to 100—and there’s always one flying at the house. For the most part, I’ve mainly collected flags of places we’ve been or have some connection to. But over the last year we’ve found it to be a way to express solidarity, so we’ve gotten some flags of places we don’t have connection with other than concern and prayers.
Like I said, a small thing. But I tend to hope small things can matter.
The National Guard is “staged and ready to respond,” Minnesota National Guard spokesperson Army Maj. Andrea Tsuchiya said in a statement to CNN. “We are not deployed to city streets at this time.”
Troops will help provide “traffic support to protect life, preserve property, and support the rights of all Minnesotans to assemble peacefully,” Tsuchiya said.
CNN Report
Folks in Minneapolis aren't just protesting; they're following ICE, alerting the neighborhoods, and getting in the way. If Guard troops interpose themselves between ICE and members of the public, they may very well do more harm than good. People in Minneapolis going out to alert their neighbors and to film ICE activities know at this point what they're getting themselves into. They've decided the risks are worth it. A woman was shot and killed, and they're still turning out.
Hello? Still waiting for an answer.
Sorry, but what was the question you're now waiting for an answer to?
I had previously mentioned Walz was mobilizing the National Guard. Ruth panned that idea. Now Trump is preparing to sent federal troops in, Would she prefer the Federal troops from Alaska or the hometown people from the Guard?
Oh, I have watched them, and I have close friends in Minneapolis who are keeping us informed.
With the homebodies in the National Guard, I am betting Walz will order them to intervene against ICE if they violate the recent Federal judge's order that they cannot ask for proof of citizenship, they cannot arrest citizens and they cannot use crowd control measures.
ICE has already said it will continue to use tear gas and pepper spray. Seems like they are intentionally egging Walz on so that Trump can send in Federal troops, and the Federal troops will not likely have hometown feelings.
Federal troops aren't going to want to fire on civilians any more than the Guard.
We can only see the results when it happens.
Personally, I happen to think the invasion of the Cities Church in St Paul by anti ICE protesters did not do Minneapolis any good, nor the attack on the counter demonstrators are doing any good for Minneapolis. Yes, Cities Church is a Christian Nationalist church which has a pastor by the name of Eastwood who happens to be an ICE official, but to actively attack the church or the counter protestors only feeds into the reasons why Trump will send in Federal troops.
I am thinking right now he is holding off because his generals do not want to mix it up with the National Guard. That would be tantamount to civil war.
One of my friends wondered why is it Trump is willing to back up the protesters in Iran, but not ones here.
Good question.
You tagged me and demanded an answer when I didn't respond fast enough for your liking. Have the courtesy to answer the question I posed.
No, it's a stupid question. It's quite obvious why he would temporarily voice support for protests against the regime in Iran -- he will not actually support them in any real way -- but not back up people protesting against his signature issue here at home.
Putin and Xi must be delighted. Best American president ever (for them). Perhaps they will give him an award.
I had already answered the question as best I can--actually several times- but you refused to accept my answer. Now, the only answer I can give is we will have to wait to see the results.
I keep thinking of that re the shooting of Renee Good. The people who gave that order at Kent State did effectively get what they wanted in the very short term....
And we only know about that because one soldier disobeyed orders when he reported what had been done.