Signs American Democracy is failing.

Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
edited September 22 in Purgatory
This morning, I listen to a segment on how ancient world leaders treated comedians, on NPR. Towards the end of the discussion this point was made:
VELTMAN: Jimmy Kimmel hasn't been thrown behind bars or worse for the recent remarks he made on his late-night show. And this wasn't a direct gibe at President Trump, though Kimmel has made many of those over the years. But scholars see a direct link between the fates of ancient comedians living through collapsing democracies and the crackdown on their descendants today. Stanford University history department chair Caroline Winterer studies the influence of the ancient world on early American history.

CAROLINE WINTERER: There is a very long tradition of basing the United States in the wisdom of classical antiquity and also of rulers thinking it's part of being a ruler to allow people to mock them.

VELTMAN: She says this country's founders were steeped in the writings of the ancients and from them understood that those in power should have thick skins.

WINTERER: Because along with the adulation of the masses comes the discontent of the masses with one of the sublimest weapons that we have in our arsenal of free speech.

This got me to thinking about how other signs our democracy is failing.

Besides the silencing of comedians like Kimmel and Colbert there has been

1) the attack on academic freedom
2) the forced deportation of immigrants without due process
3) the increase in the power of the executive branch
4 the capitulation of Congress and the Supreme Court)
5) the development of extreme ideologies, and
6) the lack of a shared identity.

Even The Freedom House, which publishes a survey of world governments now classifies America as free, but flawed. It sums up:

American democracy is still standing—but it’s wobbling. Institutions remain strong on paper, but public trust, global reputation, and internal cohesion are under serious strain. The U.S. is no longer seen as the gold standard of democracy, and its status as a “flawed democracy” reflects both systemic challenges and a need for reform.

https://freedomhouse.org/country/united-states/freedom-world/2024

Today, I feel a little despaired. Buck me up.


[Edited to fix typo in title, so it says American not Amercian -Gwai]

Comments

  • Sorry for the double post. I also wanted to include this article from The Guardian by Timothy Ash: Americans have 400 days to save their democracy.

    Does anyone think we can do it?
  • I t hink the "without due process" is the big thing. IF they can round up and deport brown people without hearing or trial, they can round up and deport white people without hearing or trial. So white people have no excuse to be nonchalant. Even if you don't care about Hispanic people being deported, you should at least care about YOU being potentially deported. The idea that they are saving us from illegal aliens has already been shown a lie.
  • CBC in Canada said that Trump kinda owns the judges on the supreme court there. Those judges want to support Trump so they don't decide anything against him even when they are supposed to. Is that truth? Sounds bad if nobody going to tell when he gone to far. Think he has already quite a bit.
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  • Nick TamenNick Tamen Shipmate
    edited September 23
    Burgess wrote: »
    CBC in Canada said that Trump kinda owns the judges on the supreme court there. Those judges want to support Trump so they don't decide anything against him even when they are supposed to. Is that truth?
    There’re some (big) grains of truth there, but it’s more complicated than that.

    Three of the nine justices were Democratic appointees, so they definitely aren’t on Team Trump.

    Trump appointed three of the remaining justices. That doesn’t necessarily always mean they’ll be in his pocket—historically, at least, it’s not that unusual for justices to have more of an independent streak than the president who appointed them anticipated.

    But one thing all the Republican appointees on the court, who have a 6–3 majority, have in common is a high view of presidential power and a corresponding distrust for and dislike of many precedents of the Court. They have little if any hesitancy in overruling what had been seen as well-established and often long-standing precedents, especially when those precedents get in the way of their view of presidential power. And they seem largely unconcerned at Trump’s willingness to test and destroy the boundaries, their focus being on upholding presidential power.

    This is the result of some decades-long gameplay on the part of Republicans.


  • ArethosemyfeetArethosemyfeet Shipmate, Heaven Host
    Is it presidential power they're upholding, or just Republican power? I've seen a lot of commentary contrasting the striking down of student loan forgiveness by Biden vs the apparently free rein given to Trump. A blatantly partisan court seems far more of a threat than one that merely has a strong but legally consistent view of executive powers.
  • Is it presidential power they're upholding, or just Republican power? I've seen a lot of commentary contrasting the striking down of student loan forgiveness by Biden vs the apparently free rein given to Trump. A blatantly partisan court seems far more of a threat than one that merely has a strong but legally consistent view of executive powers.
    It is ostensibly presidential power, more specifically the inability of Congress (or the courts) to infringe on the power that they view the Constitution as placing with the executive, but realistically the way to put it might be presidential power to do things Republicans want to see done.


  • I thought that the independent judiciary was meant to be a check and balance on presidential power not a cheerleader/enabler. What have I missed?
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    The Supreme Court and Republicans in Congress have both completely abrogated their responsibility - checks and balances turn out to be more of a guideline than a rule.

    To @Gramps49's list I'd add the internal deployment of the military without there being a relevant emergency as a sign that our democracy is failing. The governor of Illinois, J. B. Pritzker, has recently said that one of the points of that is to condition people to seeing the military on city streets so we don't push back when the military is policing citizens during the 2026 elections.
  • Another sign our democracy is failing.

    The New York Times and other outlets have reported Border Czar Tom Homan allegedly accepted a $50,000 bribe from undercover FBI agents in 2023 with the promise of steering Border related contracts to their "organization." When Trump was elected in 2024, the FBI informed Trump of the incident with the advice not to put Homan in any position of leadership. This is why Homan never got a cabinet position. But as Border Czar, it appears that Homan is allowing for some shady operations like Allegator Alcatraz to take place.

    This is part of a larger pattern. Trump fired all the Inspector Generals whose job was to prevent graft from happening in federal contracts.

    Meanwhile, Trump continues to get richer.

    (An interesting sideline. The FBI sting operations have been using the $50,000 "bribe" scheme since the 1980s. You would think they would adjust it for inflation by now.)

    This might even be bigger than the alleged Epstein scandal.
  • Does a $50K bribe even raise a ripple in trumpworld? Even trump's fraudulent "university" was forgotten after being brushed off with a $25M fine that someone else paid. Homan amply meets the ethical standards required for office in this administration.
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