Also - men being embarrassed amongst the lingerie (and apparently even the men's underwear section if women are there) is so silly to me.
Embarrassment is often from social conditioning, which can be deeply engrained, sometimes with a bit of trauma. So it's not something that necessarily listens to logic.
I don't understand why it's silly to be embarrassed over underwear. This is the stuff that we take off, to have sex, or sometimes we dont take it off. Also, a lot of advertising treats underwear as sexy.
I don't understand why it's silly to be embarrassed over underwear. This is the stuff that we take off, to have sex, or sometimes we dont take it off. Also, a lot of advertising treats underwear as sexy.
It's also the stuff we wear just to go about our daily business. Underwear isn't any more inherently sexual than bedlinen - both are (usually) tangentially involved during sex but nobody treats acting like an embarrassed child as being normal in adults in the bedding department of a store.
Even if it was inherently sexual, being embarrassed about sex as a grown adult is also silly.
Also - men being embarrassed amongst the lingerie (and apparently even the men's underwear section if women are there) is so silly to me.
Embarrassment is often from social conditioning, which can be deeply engrained, sometimes with a bit of trauma. So it's not something that necessarily listens to logic.
Being deeply engrained doesn't make something less silly.
I don't understand why it's silly to be embarrassed over underwear. This is the stuff that we take off, to have sex, or sometimes we dont take it off. Also, a lot of advertising treats underwear as sexy.
It's also the stuff we wear just to go about our daily business. Underwear isn't any more inherently sexual than bedlinen - both are (usually) tangentially involved during sex but nobody treats acting like an embarrassed child as being normal in adults in the bedding department of a store.
Even if it was inherently sexual, being embarrassed about sex as a grown adult is also silly.
I asked my wife if it wouldn't be easier just to sling the bra from a hook on a door or something and just spin herself around. She gave me a look and told me to check it out with those people on the Ship.
You mean while your wife is wearing the bra? A lot of bras have silicone banding at the bottom in order to keep it in place, so it would likely stay next to the skin rather than letting your wife spin around inside the bra while the bra stays still.
I get the logic but bras are (or should be) very close-fitting and designed to stay next to the skin.
I don't understand why it's silly to be embarrassed over underwear. This is the stuff that we take off, to have sex, or sometimes we dont take it off. Also, a lot of advertising treats underwear as sexy.
It's also the stuff we wear just to go about our daily business. Underwear isn't any more inherently sexual than bedlinen - both are (usually) tangentially involved during sex but nobody treats acting like an embarrassed child as being normal in adults in the bedding department of a store.
Even if it was inherently sexual, being embarrassed about sex as a grown adult is also silly.
Well, I really don't agree, but this is o/t.
You don't agree that underwear is stuff we wear to go about our daily life?
There are bras that are worn specifically for sex, but for most bra-wearers bras are mostly just functional.
I don't understand why it's silly to be embarrassed over underwear. This is the stuff that we take off, to have sex, or sometimes we dont take it off. Also, a lot of advertising treats underwear as sexy.
It's also the stuff we wear just to go about our daily business. Underwear isn't any more inherently sexual than bedlinen - both are (usually) tangentially involved during sex but nobody treats acting like an embarrassed child as being normal in adults in the bedding department of a store.
Even if it was inherently sexual, being embarrassed about sex as a grown adult is also silly.
Being embarrassed about having sex in public wouldn't be silly, though, would it?
Underwear is "under"wear - it's not generally intended to be seen in public. So the display of underwear is inherently intimate (and if we're talking about the type of underwear intended to be sexually attractive, also sexual). One often finds underwear being "modelled" by a dummy in a shop, or finds a large poster of a human model wearing the underwear. Seeing this is somewhat adjacent to seeing an actual human stranger in their underwear, and that's not something I would expect to do.
Re: swivelling, having joints that don't do all that they should, I've recently discovered a make of bras called Boody, which are made of a bamboo fabric, have no wires and no hooks - they go over your head like a crop top.
Also - men being embarrassed amongst the lingerie (and apparently even the men's underwear section if women are there) is so silly to me.
Embarrassment is often from social conditioning, which can be deeply engrained, sometimes with a bit of trauma. So it's not something that necessarily listens to logic.
Being deeply engrained doesn't make something less silly.
I suppose it depends how you are defining silly. For instance, if a child is constantly told they are embarrassing and shameful and they learn to see themselves with shame, and react with embarrassment to things that others might not see as embarrassing, I would see their view as distorted, but not silly.
Silly suggest foolishness, lack of intelligence and common sense, behaviour to be laughed at. A person may know intellectually that their reaction isn't rational (like with phobias, for instance) but the association/trauma reaction goes deeper, and is a natural human reaction, in which the mind is trying to protect itself. Everyone has different conditioning and reacts to some things in a way that others consider an overreaction. Calling it silly seems rather dismissive, and isn't likely to help people move beyond it.
I asked my wife if it wouldn't be easier just to sling the bra from a hook on a door or something and just spin herself around. She gave me a look and told me to check it out with those people on the Ship.
I opined, re putting on and taking off said item, that this was perhaps one of the useful functions a husband could provide. Mrs RR reffered me to this rather silly Monty Python sketch:
Lots of people here have spoken about the difficulty of fastening bras at the back. Am I really the only one who fastens it at the front for ease, then swivels it around so the hooks are at the back, before 'leaning forward' into the cups and finally slipping straps over the shoulders? I've never used any other method?!
Me neither. And the bra trick - taking off your bra while leaving your top on - is apparently a huge source of fascination for many men.
Re: swivelling, having joints that don't do all that they should, I've recently discovered a make of bras called Boody, which are made of a bamboo fabric, have no wires and no hooks - they go over your head like a crop top.
And they're the most comfortable invention ever.
Sorry, M&S - you've lost me.
I had a look at those. The larger cup sizes seem to come with distressingly narrow straps though.
Anyone tried Rigby and Peller? I knew someone always bought her bras there, on the grounds that if they were good enough for her late Majesty...
Lots of people here have spoken about the difficulty of fastening bras at the back. Am I really the only one who fastens it at the front for ease, then swivels it around so the hooks are at the back, before 'leaning forward' into the cups and finally slipping straps over the shoulders? I've never used any other method?!
Me neither. And the bra trick - taking off your bra while leaving your top on - is apparently a huge source of fascination for many men.
Re: swivelling, having joints that don't do all that they should, I've recently discovered a make of bras called Boody, which are made of a bamboo fabric, have no wires and no hooks - they go over your head like a crop top.
And they're the most comfortable invention ever.
Sorry, M&S - you've lost me.
That's what my bralettes are like - though they are cheapo ones from Primark, not made of bamboo. But definitely no wires or clasps.
Though, reading about people taking off their bra while leaving their top on, you can't do that with these. At least, I haven't found a way.
When I had clasp bras, the way I took them off under my top was simply to take my arms out the sleeves of the top. It was always rather awkward. I'm sure there's a subtler way, but I never discovered it!
1. Unclip
2. Pull the bra strap down one sleeve and over your hand.
3. Release first strap.
4. Pull second strap down the other sleeve and over your hand.
5. Pull out bra.
6. Sigh happily.
We should be grateful the days of stays are past. Though I remember from the shopping catalogues of my childhood fearsome corselettes like full body armour with suspenders.
@Firenze 'full body armour with suspenders' or at least a roll-on with suspenders: that's what my mother was referring to when she declared to Reverend Mother "I shall never allow my daughter to suffer the tyranny of a suspender belt at the age of 11!" So I ended up being the only pupil in Form 1 (Senior School) still wearing knee-socks rather than lisle stockings.
1. Unclip
2. Pull the bra strap down one sleeve and over your hand.
3. Release first strap.
4. Pull second strap down the other sleeve and over your hand.
5. Pull out bra.
6. Sigh happily.
So you're stretching your bra strap all the way down your arm?
@Firenze 'full body armour with suspenders' or at least a roll-on with suspenders: that's what my mother was referring to when she declared to Reverend Mother "I shall never allow my daughter to suffer the tyranny of a suspender belt at the age of 11!" So I ended up being the only pupil in Form 1 (Senior School) still wearing knee-socks rather than lisle stockings.
Dear God, such unnescessary fuss: the suspender belt of my pre-menarche youth was an elastic belt about
6 inches in length easily worn under knickers. Stockings were an improvement on fanny-freezing knee socks in early 1960s Canberra which in those unheated days was as cold as the proverbial frog’s tit
1. Unclip
2. Pull the bra strap down one sleeve and over your hand.
3. Release first strap.
4. Pull second strap down the other sleeve and over your hand.
5. Pull out bra.
6. Sigh happily.
So you're stretching your bra strap all the way down your arm?
Once you've unfastened the back, not a difficult thing to do, unless you're wearing tight sleeves. But by the time you want to take a bra off, you've probably shed a few other layers.
1. Unclip
2. Pull the bra strap down one sleeve and over your hand.
3. Release first strap.
4. Pull second strap down the other sleeve and over your hand.
5. Pull out bra.
6. Sigh happily.
So you're stretching your bra strap all the way down your arm?
Once you've unfastened the back, not a difficult thing to do, unless you're wearing tight sleeves. But by the time you want to take a bra off, you've probably shed a few other layers.
Aaah - you unfasten the back first. I guess that never occurred to me, being a swiveller. I probably still would have found it fiddly - I like to see what I'm doing. I'm very glad I wear over the head ones now - I hated the clasps. Sometimes they would come unclasped of their own accord, and I always needed to go to the loo to take off my top, and swivel them to get them back together again!
This lot are my go-to. I find the Anita range particularly comfortable - and like @Boogie comfort is all. I don't know what others consider expensive, but I think £50-60 not unreasonable for something I will get several years wear from.
My parcel has arrived from AmpleBosom. A lovely blue bra. I haven't tried it on yet.
I honestly read the name as Apple Blossom!
My husband had a schoolboy chuckle at AmpleBosom. 🙄😏
I don't understand why it's silly to be embarrassed over underwear. This is the stuff that we take off, to have sex, or sometimes we dont take it off. Also, a lot of advertising treats underwear as sexy.
It's also the stuff we wear just to go about our daily business. Underwear isn't any more inherently sexual than bedlinen - both are (usually) tangentially involved during sex but nobody treats acting like an embarrassed child as being normal in adults in the bedding department of a store.
Even if it was inherently sexual, being embarrassed about sex as a grown adult is also silly.
Being embarrassed about having sex in public wouldn't be silly, though, would it?
Underwear is "under"wear - it's not generally intended to be seen in public. So the display of underwear is inherently intimate (and if we're talking about the type of underwear intended to be sexually attractive, also sexual). One often finds underwear being "modelled" by a dummy in a shop, or finds a large poster of a human model wearing the underwear. Seeing this is somewhat adjacent to seeing an actual human stranger in their underwear, and that's not something I would expect to do.
Women go running in sports bras and small shorts all the time. You (general you) see people in basically underwear at the gym or on the beach all the time.
It's not unreasonable to suggest that grown adults treating a normal piece of clothing as shameful or embarrassing is unhelpful for those who wear said clothing.
Context is all. Athletes in skimpy clothing is one thing, as are people on a beach. It's undress in other situations that is disconcerting - I remember a hot summer in Aberystwyth (it may have been '76) encountering a woman (pushing a pram) who'd stripped to her bra and clearly felt self-conscious.
It's a subset of Wrong Clothes for the time/place.
I don't know, if someone's self-conscious about sitting in the bra area, well, they're self-conscious. I feel a bit sorry for them, but I don't expect they can change that super easily. As long as they're not trying to change other people to their own point of view ("Hey, let's make it off limits for women to go into the men's underwear area!"), I say let them alone.
Women go running in sports bras and small shorts all the time. You (general you) see people in basically underwear at the gym or on the beach all the time.
Do you go around outside your home in just your underwear when the weather is hot enough?
I am not particularly well-endowed, something I was sorry about in my youth but am grateful for now. For years I was a back-fastening, padded, underwired bra-wearer until I discovered bralettes and I've never looked back. Like @fineline 's my original ones were from Primark but I've got some similar ones from other stores. A couple of them have narrow straps which are not nearly as satisfactory so I need to watch for that in future purchases.
I am not particularly well-endowed, something I was sorry about in my youth but am grateful for now. For years I was a back-fastening, padded, underwired bra-wearer until I discovered bralettes and I've never looked back. Like @fineline 's my original ones were from Primark but I've got some similar ones from other stores. A couple of them have narrow straps which are not nearly as satisfactory so I need to watch for that in future purchases.
I am not particularly well-endowed, something I was sorry about in my youth but am grateful for now. For years I was a back-fastening, padded, underwired bra-wearer until I discovered bralettes and I've never looked back. Like @fineline 's my original ones were from Primark but I've got some similar ones from other stores. A couple of them have narrow straps which are not nearly as satisfactory so I need to watch for that in future purchases.
I don't know, if someone's self-conscious about sitting in the bra area, well, they're self-conscious. I feel a bit sorry for them, but I don't expect they can change that super easily. As long as they're not trying to change other people to their own point of view ("Hey, let's make it off limits for women to go into the men's underwear area!"), I say let them alone.
Those are my thoughts too. It's clearly a kind of trigger for them, something deeper than conscious reasoning, so unlikely to change without therapy, but equally they wouldn't be likely to consider it important enough for therapy, because it's something people are more likely to laugh at than sympathise with.
I am not particularly well-endowed, something I was sorry about in my youth but am grateful for now.
Same. Though I never understood why I was supposed to feel ashamed of small breasts - it's one of those things people make rude comments about when you're a teenager, and also there is lots of emphasis on big breasts being desirable, but it seems more about what men want! I'm definitely very grateful for being able to wear bralettes, and sometimes I don't wear any bra at all.
Same. Though I never understood why I was supposed to feel ashamed of small breasts - it's one of those things people make rude comments about when you're a teenager, and also there is lots of emphasis on big breasts being desirable, but it seems more about what men want! I'm definitely very grateful for being able to wear bralettes, and sometimes I don't wear any bra at all.
I'm not sure I can pass comment without going into the territory of the old T & T private board or being monstrously crass but I'll have a go. Fundamentally, from a heterosexual male point of view, I have come to realise that all breasts are good. Big, small, in-between, they are all lovely in their own way (and are terminally distracting, but you knew that already).
Back to discussing them from the point of view of the possessor, before I find myself viewing them from the shore...
My Mum used to go to Rigby and Peller for her bras: not sure whether from royalist sentiment or because they were really better. After she died a lady who knew her through being Dad's social worker was quite distressed, remembering the Rigby and Peller aspect: maybe Mum was the only person she'd met who went there.
We are/were both on the "magnificent " side of average, which makes getting a good fit more important: I've always envied people who are smaller and can wear something lightweight, or even go without.
Many years ago when I first wore bras as a teen I was a swiveller but then discovered that it was much easier to do a bra up behind my back if it was hanging upside down when I was doing it up. Somehow having the hooks facing outwards rather than inwards made them easier to catch through the loops. Process done with bra closer to waist level than bust. Then a quick flip upwards of the cups, pulling it up towards my bust, the band flips over, arms into straps and good to go!
That took considerably longer to describe than to do!
I honestly and truly can't understand the attraction of breasts.
To me they are an annoying necessity and only useful and practical for feeding children. A shame they don't just disappear after fulfilling that purpose imo.
There was a time, many years ago, when I used to wish I could detach mine at night and hang them on the bed-head so that Mr RS could play with them without disturbing me.
Nowadays I wish I could detach them during the daytime so that I didn't have to lug them about.
I don't know, if someone's self-conscious about sitting in the bra area, well, they're self-conscious. I feel a bit sorry for them, but I don't expect they can change that super easily. As long as they're not trying to change other people to their own point of view ("Hey, let's make it off limits for women to go into the men's underwear area!"), I say let them alone.
I mean I'm not advocating for people to march into underwear sections looking for anyone who looks uncomfortable to re-educate. Pointing out that a grown adult should be able to handle being around some underwear without feeling self-conscious is not exactly an attack.
I honestly and truly can't understand the attraction of breasts.
To me they are an annoying necessity and only useful and practical for feeding children. A shame they don't just disappear after fulfilling that purpose imo.
I mean that is an option, albeit via surgery and if you have money for that. Lots of cis women enjoy having breasts though.
I am not particularly well-endowed, something I was sorry about in my youth but am grateful for now.
Same. Though I never understood why I was supposed to feel ashamed of small breasts - it's one of those things people make rude comments about when you're a teenager, and also there is lots of emphasis on big breasts being desirable, but it seems more about what men want! I'm definitely very grateful for being able to wear bralettes, and sometimes I don't wear any bra at all.
Lots of men who are attracted to women prefer small breasts. Men who are attracted to women vary just as much as other genders who are attracted to women - marketing assumptions about what men want doesn't actually resemble what men want, eg all the birthday cards for dads featuring golf or beer etc with nothing for dads who don't like stereotypical Card Dad Hobbies (which never seem to feature the hobbies of dads I know, eg pottery or Warhammer or making hot sauce).
Women go running in sports bras and small shorts all the time. You (general you) see people in basically underwear at the gym or on the beach all the time.
Do you go around outside your home in just your underwear when the weather is hot enough?
I don't because I am at high risk of skin cancer, but people wear bikinis for eg in parks quite often.
But also, I think underwear on a hanger in a store is quite different to underwear on a person.
There was a time, many years ago, when I used to wish I could detach mine at night and hang them on the bed-head so that Mr RS could play with them without disturbing me.
Nowadays I wish I could detach them during the daytime so that I didn't have to lug them about.
I don't know, if someone's self-conscious about sitting in the bra area, well, they're self-conscious. I feel a bit sorry for them, but I don't expect they can change that super easily. As long as they're not trying to change other people to their own point of view ("Hey, let's make it off limits for women to go into the men's underwear area!"), I say let them alone.
I mean I'm not advocating for people to march into underwear sections looking for anyone who looks uncomfortable to re-educate. Pointing out that a grown adult should be able to handle being around some underwear without feeling self-conscious is not exactly an attack.
Breasts are useful when you need something soft for a kid (or favored adult) to fall asleep against. I'm beginning to discover this stuff as I learn about touch--I grew up with a mother who never touched me at all after a minor tiff at age ten, and never held me as far as I can remember when I was a toddler. It feels really weird to be discovering as an adult what normal people presumably know and never think about. But I'm getting reconciled to my over-large breasts, since my family is and has been, er, attached to them!
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Embarrassment is often from social conditioning, which can be deeply engrained, sometimes with a bit of trauma. So it's not something that necessarily listens to logic.
It's also the stuff we wear just to go about our daily business. Underwear isn't any more inherently sexual than bedlinen - both are (usually) tangentially involved during sex but nobody treats acting like an embarrassed child as being normal in adults in the bedding department of a store.
Even if it was inherently sexual, being embarrassed about sex as a grown adult is also silly.
Being deeply engrained doesn't make something less silly.
Well, I really don't agree, but this is o/t.
You mean while your wife is wearing the bra? A lot of bras have silicone banding at the bottom in order to keep it in place, so it would likely stay next to the skin rather than letting your wife spin around inside the bra while the bra stays still.
I get the logic but bras are (or should be) very close-fitting and designed to stay next to the skin.
You don't agree that underwear is stuff we wear to go about our daily life?
There are bras that are worn specifically for sex, but for most bra-wearers bras are mostly just functional.
Being embarrassed about having sex in public wouldn't be silly, though, would it?
Underwear is "under"wear - it's not generally intended to be seen in public. So the display of underwear is inherently intimate (and if we're talking about the type of underwear intended to be sexually attractive, also sexual). One often finds underwear being "modelled" by a dummy in a shop, or finds a large poster of a human model wearing the underwear. Seeing this is somewhat adjacent to seeing an actual human stranger in their underwear, and that's not something I would expect to do.
And they're the most comfortable invention ever.
Sorry, M&S - you've lost me.
I suppose it depends how you are defining silly. For instance, if a child is constantly told they are embarrassing and shameful and they learn to see themselves with shame, and react with embarrassment to things that others might not see as embarrassing, I would see their view as distorted, but not silly.
Silly suggest foolishness, lack of intelligence and common sense, behaviour to be laughed at. A person may know intellectually that their reaction isn't rational (like with phobias, for instance) but the association/trauma reaction goes deeper, and is a natural human reaction, in which the mind is trying to protect itself. Everyone has different conditioning and reacts to some things in a way that others consider an overreaction. Calling it silly seems rather dismissive, and isn't likely to help people move beyond it.
I opined, re putting on and taking off said item, that this was perhaps one of the useful functions a husband could provide. Mrs RR reffered me to this rather silly Monty Python sketch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxSM5y7Pfs
particulary at 3 min or so.
That said, I am occasionally asked to help when the hooks get caught in other things.
Me neither. And the bra trick - taking off your bra while leaving your top on - is apparently a huge source of fascination for many men.
I had a look at those. The larger cup sizes seem to come with distressingly narrow straps though.
Anyone tried Rigby and Peller? I knew someone always bought her bras there, on the grounds that if they were good enough for her late Majesty...
Be still my beating heart!
That's what my bralettes are like - though they are cheapo ones from Primark, not made of bamboo. But definitely no wires or clasps.
Though, reading about people taking off their bra while leaving their top on, you can't do that with these. At least, I haven't found a way.
When I had clasp bras, the way I took them off under my top was simply to take my arms out the sleeves of the top. It was always rather awkward. I'm sure there's a subtler way, but I never discovered it!
2. Pull the bra strap down one sleeve and over your hand.
3. Release first strap.
4. Pull second strap down the other sleeve and over your hand.
5. Pull out bra.
6. Sigh happily.
So you're stretching your bra strap all the way down your arm?
Dear God, such unnescessary fuss: the suspender belt of my pre-menarche youth was an elastic belt about
6 inches in length easily worn under knickers. Stockings were an improvement on fanny-freezing knee socks in early 1960s Canberra which in those unheated days was as cold as the proverbial frog’s tit
Once you've unfastened the back, not a difficult thing to do, unless you're wearing tight sleeves. But by the time you want to take a bra off, you've probably shed a few other layers.
Aaah - you unfasten the back first. I guess that never occurred to me, being a swiveller. I probably still would have found it fiddly - I like to see what I'm doing. I'm very glad I wear over the head ones now - I hated the clasps. Sometimes they would come unclasped of their own accord, and I always needed to go to the loo to take off my top, and swivel them to get them back together again!
My parcel has arrived from AmpleBosom. A lovely blue bra. I haven't tried it on yet.
I honestly read the name as Apple Blossom!
My husband had a schoolboy chuckle at AmpleBosom. 🙄😏
I quite fancy that blue number myself, but I'm quite well found for bras at the moment.
In brown paper 60 years ago: bras never ( not in Oz anyway)
It fits, it fits!
It fits perfectly and the fabric is lovely. I will be getting another when the pension arrives next month.
Many thanks for the recommendation @Firenze.
🙌 👏
Women go running in sports bras and small shorts all the time. You (general you) see people in basically underwear at the gym or on the beach all the time.
It's not unreasonable to suggest that grown adults treating a normal piece of clothing as shameful or embarrassing is unhelpful for those who wear said clothing.
It's a subset of Wrong Clothes for the time/place.
Do you go around outside your home in just your underwear when the weather is hot enough?
So Cinderella shall go to the ball! Couldn't help being put in mind of a pantomime moment!
That'll be the X-rated version: whosoever this bra fits....
There'd be a long queue of suitors offering to help her on with it... and off again!
Those are my thoughts too. It's clearly a kind of trigger for them, something deeper than conscious reasoning, so unlikely to change without therapy, but equally they wouldn't be likely to consider it important enough for therapy, because it's something people are more likely to laugh at than sympathise with.
Same. Though I never understood why I was supposed to feel ashamed of small breasts - it's one of those things people make rude comments about when you're a teenager, and also there is lots of emphasis on big breasts being desirable, but it seems more about what men want! I'm definitely very grateful for being able to wear bralettes, and sometimes I don't wear any bra at all.
I'm not sure I can pass comment without going into the territory of the old T & T private board or being monstrously crass but I'll have a go. Fundamentally, from a heterosexual male point of view, I have come to realise that all breasts are good. Big, small, in-between, they are all lovely in their own way (and are terminally distracting, but you knew that already).
Back to discussing them from the point of view of the possessor, before I find myself viewing them from the shore...
We are/were both on the "magnificent " side of average, which makes getting a good fit more important: I've always envied people who are smaller and can wear something lightweight, or even go without.
Mum was a swiveller but I never took to that.
That took considerably longer to describe than to do!
To me they are an annoying necessity and only useful and practical for feeding children. A shame they don't just disappear after fulfilling that purpose imo.
Although my eldest brother, perhaps in an attempt to encourage his little sister, used to tell me that "What you can't get in your hand is wasted."
That's interesting; I actually do understand the appeal.
However, we're drifting out of Heavenly territory and need to stop before we have to host ourselves, or each other
Nowadays I wish I could detach them during the daytime so that I didn't have to lug them about.
I mean I'm not advocating for people to march into underwear sections looking for anyone who looks uncomfortable to re-educate. Pointing out that a grown adult should be able to handle being around some underwear without feeling self-conscious is not exactly an attack.
I mean that is an option, albeit via surgery and if you have money for that. Lots of cis women enjoy having breasts though.
Lots of men who are attracted to women prefer small breasts. Men who are attracted to women vary just as much as other genders who are attracted to women - marketing assumptions about what men want doesn't actually resemble what men want, eg all the birthday cards for dads featuring golf or beer etc with nothing for dads who don't like stereotypical Card Dad Hobbies (which never seem to feature the hobbies of dads I know, eg pottery or Warhammer or making hot sauce).
I don't because I am at high risk of skin cancer, but people wear bikinis for eg in parks quite often.
But also, I think underwear on a hanger in a store is quite different to underwear on a person.
For about £8k you can...
No, of course not. I didn't take it to be one.
There's no reason why everyone should share this view.