Is Hand Writing Dead?

As I post today is National Hand Writing Day in the UK. So my question is Is Hand Writing Dead? Certainly we use it much less these days. Last time I was in a Starbucks in Orlando I was asked to write my name down. I had to re write it because the server couldn’t read joined up writing. What do we think?
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  • I use hand writing rarely. And I find that my little-used muscles ache if I have to write anything lengthy.

    It's still taught in school - my 6-year old grandson does writing exercises.
  • Barnabas62Barnabas62 Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    My handwriting was never much good and some forty years of word processing have completed the ruin!

    But I’m not that much bothered. I like the fact that correcting text is much easier now. I had to cross out a lot when handwriting was the order of the day.
  • NenyaNenya All Saints Host, Ecclesiantics & MW Host
    edited January 2024
    I love writing by hand - I keep a paper diary, write in my journal every day and take notes at meetings by hand. (I was always the minute-taker at work as it was something I enjoyed doing and only towards the end of my time there did I graduate to taking them straight onto the laptop, mainly to save time.) Some of the joys of my life are nice pens to write with and pretty notebooks to write in. Not that my actual writing is anything to write home about (see what I did there? :wink: ) but I do think handwriting is a very personal thing and whatever yours is like (including any mistakes and crossings-out) it's important to preserve some. I treasure things like letters and other pieces of writing I've got by people I care about (some of them no longer here).

    My mum and I kept in touch by handwritten letter and up until quite recently I used to get an occasional handwritten card from my daughter, which was lovely. (She's busy with a baby now, so I'm not expecting any more for the foreseeable future.)

    Ooo, I could go on for ages!

    Having said that, I've got several letters to write to people I heard from at Christmas and because a lot of what I say will be the same to all of them I will be doing them on the computer. Printing out and posting though, rather than emailing. There's nothing like receiving a letter in the post and we get (and send) so very few these days.

    I'm very glad to hear about @Baptist Trainfan 's grandson and trust that my granddaughter (4 months old) will learn to write by hand. Until I saw this thread it never occurred to me that she wouldn't. :flushed:
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    I don't use it much now except in scribbled notes to myself or meeting notes. I find I frequently make mistakes now because my mind runs ahead of the pen.

    From time to time, though, I get my sets of pens out and rediscover the pleasure of calligraphy. My aim is to be able to one day produce an illustrated piece, though I'm quite some way from achieving that.

    It was nice having handwritten letters - much more personal and especially getting a letter from a friend or relative abroad, with a foreign stamp on the envelope. The letters of the past, and indeed love letters, are a thing of history now that even email is in decline, except in office communications, and people are so much more into texting.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited January 2024
    I am very relieved that handwriting is not required much these days as mine is and always was bloody awful.

    Not having to do it saves me from the ridiculous shallow judgementalism some people display about it.
  • Alan Cresswell Alan Cresswell Admin, 8th Day Host
    I still scrawl down notes during meetings. And, of course, lab records are hand written because there's no computer there to make notes on. But, that's pretty much all I write by hand.

    Anything that I need someone else to read is far better off typed - I sometimes struggle to read my own hand writing. I often wonder if that's a result of my primary school teachers constantly taking the pencil from my left hand and putting it in my right so that I would write properly. Of course, when I got my doctorate my hand writing really deteriorated, because a doctor (even if not medical) with legible hand writing is simply not allowed.
  • BoogieBoogie Heaven Host
    I have nice and neat handwriting, and so do both of my sons. My husband employs a spider.

    I have an ‘O level in calligraphy 😇

    Handwriting is not dead, but it is declining.
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited January 2024
    @Boogie - did you read the message I sent yesterday (nothing to do with handwriting!)?
  • Baptist TrainfanBaptist Trainfan Shipmate
    edited January 2024
    KarlLB wrote: »
    I am very relieved that handwriting is not required much these days as mine is and always was bloody awful.
    Likewise. I should blame it on my father - he was a doctor.

    Actually what I blame it on is changing schools at the age of 7. Each school championed a completely different handwriting style.

  • Handwriting dead? Definitely not for me, even if the cost of postage stamps makes the sending of a simple bread-and-butter a significant investment!
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited January 2024
    KarlLB wrote: »
    I am very relieved that handwriting is not required much these days as mine is and always was bloody awful.
    Likewise. I should blame it on my father - he was a doctor.

    Actually what I blame it on is changing schools at the age of 7. Each school championed a completely different handwriting style.

    With me it's just borderline dysgraphia. Pens and pencils in my hands do not do what my brain tells them to, at any usable pace. I can do calligraphy as long as I'm willing to spend thirty seconds on each letter.
  • I write checks by hand, and also little notes. When I go on a trip, I keep a log in a small spiral-bound notebook. Yes, I write by hand. On the other hand, my arthritis is bad enough to make some of my writing illegible. Although it is going against the trend, I think children should be taught to write, not just print.
  • DafydDafyd Hell Host
    The Daflings, still both in primary school just, have been taught to write in cursive by their school in Edinburgh.
    Neither is much impressed by my handwriting.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    KarlLB wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    I am very relieved that handwriting is not required much these days as mine is and always was bloody awful.
    Likewise. I should blame it on my father - he was a doctor.

    Actually what I blame it on is changing schools at the age of 7. Each school championed a completely different handwriting style.

    With me it's just borderline dysgraphia. Pens and pencils in my hands do not do what my brain tells them to, at any usable pace. I can do calligraphy as long as I'm willing to spend thirty seconds on each letter.

    I’m pretty certain I have dysgraphia as well. As well as illegible handwriting and the inability to draw anything recognisable, I have issues with other fine motor issues. Only an hour or two ago I was getting very frustrated and uttering some very un-Christian words just trying to fit a new watch strap.

    As a child, I always had (and to a great extent still have) a genuine aversion to writing anything down in pen or pencil, which I recently found is a common trait in dysgraphia. I was so pleased when I discovered word processors. By then I was in my 20s, so too late to do anything about school work (where I’d been written off as “lazy”) but I was at least able to write some very good essays when I trained as a Reader
  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    My handwriting used to be appalling until I was taken firmly in hand by the nuns at my primary school and made to improve. To this day I still have their style of capital letters and it's a style that you don't see in England.

    I am lefthanded but when asked by teachers at schools whether they should train me to write right-handed, my mother said to leave me to do my own thing as I seemed to be managing fine. I'm grateful for that. A few years earlier I'd have had no choice.

    I loved writing and had an array of fountain pens and a range of different coloured inks. I was eventually told firmly to stick to black or blue for schoolwork after some experiments with lilac, red, green and brown. We weren't allowed to use ballpoints until we got to the sixth form. In primary school we'd start off with chalk on slates (yes, really) then pencil, after which as we progressed up the school we were permitted real fountain pens. My first was a little red pen that I loved. I've no idea what happened to it; it seemed to get lost somewhere in the move to England.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited January 2024
    Spike wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    KarlLB wrote: »
    I am very relieved that handwriting is not required much these days as mine is and always was bloody awful.
    Likewise. I should blame it on my father - he was a doctor.

    Actually what I blame it on is changing schools at the age of 7. Each school championed a completely different handwriting style.

    With me it's just borderline dysgraphia. Pens and pencils in my hands do not do what my brain tells them to, at any usable pace. I can do calligraphy as long as I'm willing to spend thirty seconds on each letter.

    I’m pretty certain I have dysgraphia as well. As well as illegible handwriting and the inability to draw anything recognisable, I have issues with other fine motor issues. Only an hour or two ago I was getting very frustrated and uttering some very un-Christian words just trying to fit a new watch strap.

    As a child, I always had (and to a great extent still have) a genuine aversion to writing anything down in pen or pencil, which I recently found is a common trait in dysgraphia. I was so pleased when I discovered word processors. By then I was in my 20s, so too late to do anything about school work (where I’d been written off as “lazy”) but I was at least able to write some very good essays when I trained as a Reader

    The other thing is the cramp. Writing for any length of time is painful. And yes, I do hold the pen the right way. It's another dysgraphia thing. I also can't draw to save my life.

    It's a miracle I can play any musical instruments. Even there though I never get to be flawless. But because it's down to control problems, it's not a case of there being particular bits I tend to mess up. I can play a wrong note anywhere, completely randomly, in a piece I know well, that I don't generally play a wrong note.
  • BroJamesBroJames Purgatory Host
    My handwriting is not great. My mother used to tell the story of coming into school (kindergarten), and being told by the head teacher, “BroJames won’t do his letters.“ I think she had to stay with me while I did them before I could leave school that day. (This is all her report, I don’t remember the incident myself.)

    What I do remember is that at first everything was written in pencil. When I first started writing in ink, it was with a dip pen with an “ink well“ in the schooldesk to dip the pen into. I distinctly remember the gradual change in the colour of the writing from firm blue when the pen had first been dipped to very pale blue as the ink was running out.

    My handwriting was poor, and I can remember my mother, sometime after I had graduated to ink, teaching me handwriting as she had been taught, and my style tends to be that of an older generation.

    I still have an Osmiroid fountain pen (mine is maroon) from early in my secondary school days. It has lain idle in a drawer for decades, and then recently I was able to obtain a new nib for it, and I find that I really enjoy writing with it.

    Later on I graduated to a Parker 45, and my current Parker that still tends to be my first choice for writing. Various turns of events mean that I now have three working Parker pens (the third is a Parker IM), and regularly use two (one for red ink).
  • BroJames wrote: »
    I distinctly remember the gradual change in the colour of the writing from firm blue when the pen had first been dipped to very pale blue as the ink was running out.
    Yes - and the scratching when it finally did run out!

  • ArielAriel Shipmate
    edited January 2024
    I never trusted those school inkwells, mainly because some of us would quietly sabotage them with chalk dust and blotting paper when we got bored in lessons 😈

    Most of us brought our own ink bottles. Much scope for joy when they leaked in your bag and over your fingers...
  • chrisstileschrisstiles Hell Host
    edited January 2024
    KarlLB wrote: »
    I am very relieved that handwriting is not required much these days as mine is and always was bloody awful.
    Likewise. I should blame it on my father - he was a doctor.

    Actually what I blame it on is changing schools at the age of 7. Each school championed a completely different handwriting style.

    Same story, I switched school at the same age and went from Continuous Cursive to Half Cursive (at 6 I was winning awards for penmanship, but after switching started regularly suffering from cramp).
  • Apparently my crappy handwriting is one diagnostic sign for Ehlers Danlos (hypermobility type).

    Oddly enough, it looks just like my mother's, though as far as I know she had nothing to do with teaching me how to write. I have to look at the subject before I can tell which of us wrote something.
  • It would also be nice if people could or would print neatly.
  • SpikeSpike Ecclesiantics & MW Host, Admin Emeritus
    HarryCH wrote: »
    It would also be nice if people could or would print neatly.

    Some of us have difficulty even doing that
  • CaissaCaissa Shipmate
    I find it hard to believe I was handwriting essays in my first years of university (81-3). Now I rarely writing anything by hand designed for others to read. The death of cursive is now leading to history students needing to be taught how to read cursive.
  • Gramps49Gramps49 Shipmate
    edited January 2024
    Sad to say, my handwriting has gone downhill. This weekend I did not have ink in the printer so I decided to handwrite an outline for my sermon. When I got up to preach, I could not read a thing. It looked like a Dr's prescription note.

    Of course, not writing on a level desk/table may have been part of the problem.

    People said it was a good sermon, though.
  • Judging from other's comments I use handwriting a lot more than most. I've been keeping a journal daily for over 50 years, I write shopping lists, and always have a notebook beside the bed for capturing ideas as they occur, such as possible lyrics or music to compose, ideas for presents, floorplans of places I've stayed (I do have a strange obsession with floor plans, no idea where that has come from!)

    Also I must have one of the few jobs where handwriting forms a regular part of my job ... I work in a public library and each day I scan barcodes from maybe 60-80 (at a guess) books that have arrived in our branch as reservations for our customers ... the computer displays the name of the person who has reserved the book and the reservation expiry date, these details are handwritten onto slips of paper to be put inside the book. The books are then arranged on the reservation shelf in alphabetical order of customer surnames. Similarly when a book is returned to our branch that is required by a customer at another branch, one again we handwrite the name of the library where it's needed, and attach with an elastic band.
  • My use of handwriting has increased, due to the availability of electronic (e-ink) devices that allow you to be paper-free but with ‘paper-like’ writing experiences. These also allow you to convert (with varying degrees of success) cursive writing to text, which can help if you have an ‘official’ use for the notes (meeting minutes and the like). And you can cut and paste bits of handwriting to organize it on most devices too.

    But I mostly use my device for outlining, rough ideas and journalling. It seems easier to work out creative ideas in a pen-and-paper (like) environment, whereas a blank computer screen seems to suppress them. For me, anyway.

    After trying others, I currently use a kindle scribe, because it also allows me to highlight and export quotes from books that I might like to cite in my own books or articles, and has a “sticky note” function that lets you add some jotted comments to a passage. But many folk prefer other devices of this kind.

    In terms of the actual quality of my handwriting, I think it is better on the device - it’s so easy to erase and rewrite that I am becoming obsessively neat!
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Caissa wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe I was handwriting essays in my first years of university (81-3). Now I rarely writing anything by hand designed for others to read. The death of cursive is now leading to history students needing to be taught how to read cursive.

    To be fair, the cursive used in old documents always needed to be taught. I know I find it very hard to read anything Victorian or older and I write in cursive.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    Judging from other's comments I use handwriting a lot more than most. I've been keeping a journal daily for over 50 years, I write shopping lists, and always have a notebook beside the bed for capturing ideas as they occur, such as possible lyrics or music to compose, ideas for presents, floorplans of places I've stayed (I do have a strange obsession with floor plans, no idea where that has come from!)

    Also I must have one of the few jobs where handwriting forms a regular part of my job ... I work in a public library and each day I scan barcodes from maybe 60-80 (at a guess) books that have arrived in our branch as reservations for our customers ... the computer displays the name of the person who has reserved the book and the reservation expiry date, these details are handwritten onto slips of paper to be put inside the book. The books are then arranged on the reservation shelf in alphabetical order of customer surnames. Similarly when a book is returned to our branch that is required by a customer at another branch, one again we handwrite the name of the library where it's needed, and attach with an elastic band.

    I'd be asking why the software didn't print labels with all that information on it.
  • When I started at Grammar school we were all encouraged to write italic. I could do it but I gradually drifted out of it.

    I now do a form of scribble. Up to nearly 8 years ago I was a minuting secretary. I had to translate my scribbled notes into a 3 to 4 paged typed document as soon as possible after the meeting before I forgot what I had scribbled about
  • I can write quite neatly, though arthritis means I limit myself to notes and lists, but I rarely use a fountain pen. Mr Puzzler always used a fountain pen, never a ball point. He had several in constant use. His handwriting was very small and neat, but often hard to read. He typed most things on his laptop.
  • I assess handwriting skills as part of my job and I would say whilst most teenagers can type with some proficiency (albeit some over-reliant on autocorrect), many still prefer to handwrite lesson notes etc.. Thankfully those who struggle to produce legible handwriting now have the option of typing.
  • I think much better with pen and paper than I do with a keyboard.

    These days, there are a number of solutions for automagically digitizing handwritten notes, probably with OCR and all the rest of it. I haven't used any of them, so can't pass judgement, but it's possible that they would make a useful addition to my workflow.

  • Telford wrote: »
    Up to nearly 8 years ago I was a minuting secretary.

    On a similar note, I assume knowledge of Shorthand is also vanishingly rare.
  • I learned very plain Marion Richardson style handwriting, but over the course of one summer at late secondary level I taught myself italic handwrting from Tom Gourdie's book, believing it would make a more favaourable impression on examiners.

    My sister and I stil exchange handwritten letters between Wales and Australia, but we write the address on the envelope in capital letters for the benefit of postal workers.
  • None of my secondary school age or student grandchildren wants any of the A4 pads or ring binders I offered them. Everything is done online, nothing is handwritten.
  • I have a clear plastic pencil case, full of pencils, for archive work. I love checking and sharpening each pencil ahead of visiting an archive.
    I like writing with a sharp pencil, so I start with my pencils on my left and move each one to the right once it's no longer sharp.
    However, I am increasing photographing material rather than taking notes. I came home from my last archive trip with 138 photographs, only 2 pages of notes, and only two pencils to re-sharpen.
  • KarlLBKarlLB Shipmate
    edited January 2024
    Puzzler wrote: »
    None of my secondary school age or student grandchildren wants any of the A4 pads or ring binders I offered them. Everything is done online, nothing is handwritten.

    Not in my experience. Two of mine are still at Secondary school and loads of stuff is handwritten. Homework is generally typed if at all possible. Eldest is a student at university and gets through loads of paper.

    Sixth form may use A4 and ring binders, depending on subject. GCSE and earlier will have exercise books so won't have much use for them.
  • Alan29Alan29 Shipmate
    After a few years of hardly ever writing by hand, I now find that I need to carry a shopping list with me if I need more than three items.
    Its a bugger getting old!
  • finelinefineline Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    I don't think handwriting will die out. It seems valued by many young people as a sort of arty thing, for decoration and personal journalling, and I work with some students who love creating beautiful handwriting and calligraphy.

    To me, typing makes more sense for writing in large quantities, and writing fast notes, but then I can touch type much faster (and more legibly!) than I can handwrite. And it's more sustainable in terms of being able to keep going without my fingers getting painful, cramped, overextending, etc. Like @Lamb Chopped, I have EDS and I notice the impact of handwriting more as I get older - but I think generally, for most people, the tapping of fingers on a keyboard is easier in the long run than handwriting for hours and hours.

    What fascinates me is how fast young people can type on their phone. I find touch-typing on a laptop keyboard far easier, but I guess it's what you're used to, because I see students create significant amounts of writing in a fairly short time just from typing on their tiny phone screen.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    Puzzler wrote: »
    None of my secondary school age or student grandchildren wants any of the A4 pads or ring binders I offered them. Everything is done online, nothing is handwritten.

    Not in my experience. Two of mine are still at Secondary school and loads of stuff is handwritten. Homework is generally typed if at all possible. Eldest is a student at university and gets through loads of paper.

    Sixth form may use A4 and ring binders, depending on subject. GCSE and earlier will have exercise books so won't have much use for them.

    Maybe my Year 11 grandson will ask me for paper and ring binders next September when he is in the Sixth Form. I agree that he uses exercise books in class now, but homework is done online.
  • KarlLB wrote: »
    Puzzler wrote: »
    None of my secondary school age or student grandchildren wants any of the A4 pads or ring binders I offered them. Everything is done online, nothing is handwritten.

    Not in my experience. Two of mine are still at Secondary school and loads of stuff is handwritten. Homework is generally typed if at all possible. Eldest is a student at university and gets through loads of paper.

    Sixth form may use A4 and ring binders, depending on subject. GCSE and earlier will have exercise books so won't have much use for them.

    My college student writes a lot of notes by hand, makes essay outlines by hand, and so on. Essays are mostly typed, except for the ones in exams. At high school, they seem to get a lot of printed sheets - forms to help take notes, write up experiments, and so on - but don't use much in the way of the reams of lined paper that I used to get through. I'd say my high school kid's work was about evenly split between things on his school chromebook and things on paper.
  • As a Primary School Governor I recently went on a Learning Walk and can confirm that, while much work is completed on tablets, the majority is still handwritten. Indeed, the school has this year had a major emphasis on good handwriting (and presentation in general).
  • RuthRuth Shipmate
    KarlLB wrote: »
    Caissa wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe I was handwriting essays in my first years of university (81-3). Now I rarely writing anything by hand designed for others to read. The death of cursive is now leading to history students needing to be taught how to read cursive.

    To be fair, the cursive used in old documents always needed to be taught. I know I find it very hard to read anything Victorian or older and I write in cursive.

    It depends on the document for me. If it was written by a scribe in a standard hand developed for legibility in the last few hundred years - chancery cursive, round hand, Spencerian script, etc - I can read it. Secretary hand of the 16th century is a little hard, but I get better as I get into the swing of a particular document. With letters and manuscripts written by ordinary people, it's a lot the same as with contemporary handwriting for me; the messier it is and the further away they get from the standard hand of their day, the harder it is to read.
  • la vie en rougela vie en rouge Purgatory Host, Circus Host
    In my part of the world, handwritten exams with no devices anywhere around are making a definite comeback as a bulwark against cheating using artificial intelligence.

    FWIW, French children never learn to print - they learn cursive from the start. My son starts next year (age 6).
  • I had to google cursive the first time I saw the term used on the Ship - not one I knew. As far as I understand, it's what my Middle school called joined-up writing. Neither my First nor Middle schools taught it (although one Middle school teacher requested that we didn't use it in her lessons please), then in Upper school they didn't care as long as anything handed in was legible. Printing to me is the all in capitals stuff (also known as block caps).

    I still handwrite shopping lists, to do lists, the "we're running out of..." list in the kitchen, notes in my diary, birthday cards, and postcards when on holiday. My writing is legible, but tends to be about 3mm high.🔎 I don't think I've handwritten anything for work beyond notes on a scrap pad since I got the current job in 2015.
  • The Knotweed isn't kidding about 3mm high either. If you want the Lord's Prayer written on a grain of rice... well, you know where she is!
  • FirenzeFirenze Shipmate, Host Emeritus
    I taught myself italic about age 13. I went on to do calligraphy- gothic, Carolingian and italic scripts.

    I can still write Italic and am currently doing a garden journal cum poetry workbook. The thing is to get a pen which is a pleasure to use - I have three.
  • HuiaHuia Shipmate
    I learnt cursive writing at school but when I started teaching junior classes I went back to printing, which is all I use now.
  • HugalHugal Shipmate
    I learned cursive from junior School (I had separate infant and junior schools). It was kind of expected in my high school but not demanded. For the first three years of my Open University degree (I graduated in 2002) we didn’t have a computer so all my work and essays were hand written. 2000 words makes your hand hurt. I only really write notes and similar now. I was diagnosed dyslexic by the OU and favour kinaesthetic learning. When we got a computer things went a lot better. Just the act of typing helped me memorise.
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